Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting

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Hades said:
Lol. Incredible.
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Yeah thanks... , dolphs logic was because they are labelled labour they must be the same right? Apart from its entirely different people now in labours office....

Same as Henry 8th and Elizabeth 2nd must be the same because they were both leaders of the royal families? Right? Same logic?

..... Penny dropped yet? Oh Yeh ol lizzy doesn't order the chopping of people's heads off.... Even though they are doing the same role.... Different people.... Blimey, crazy I had to explain that! Lol
 
Yes the penny dropped that if you don't like the party's previous actions then you can simply dismiss them and pretend it was a different party.
 
Combat squirrel said:
Yeah thanks... , dolphs logic was because they are labelled labour they must be the same right? Apart from its entirely different people now in labours office....

Same as Henry 8th and Elizabeth 2nd must be the same because they were both leaders of the royal families? Right? Same logic?

..... Penny dropped yet? Oh Yeh ol lizzy doesn't order the chopping of people's heads off.... Even though they are doing the same role.... Different people.... Blimey, crazy I had to explain that! Lol
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Right. Only in your authoritarian zeal you seem to have lost 75% of the PLP, half the NEC and ~50% of membership somewhere along the way, unfashionable and pre-Momentum as it is. Not to mention the perpetual difficulty most Momentumites have in getting selected.

Actually seize control of the party before you start counting your chickens, ffs.
 
Moses said:
You say that as though all seats are Tory/Labour marginals :confused:. What about my constituency where it was a Lib Dem seat for years, but is now Tory with the Lib Dems clearly in second? Voting Labour would be a wasted vote.



A stupid pledge. I look forward to many thousands of zero hour contract workers who currently work ~37.5 hours/week where they get 5.6 weeks holiday with 37.5 hours of pay a week being moved onto 20 hour contracts, doing 17.5 hours of voluntary overtime and getting 5.6 weeks holiday a year whilst getting paid 20 hours a week whilst on it. Great win for the working man :cool:.
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Zero hours need strictly monitoring, not outlawing.
 
Moses said:
By 'screwed', do you mean lose their inflation busting benefit increases and instead have to deal with inflation matching ones... so not losing out in real terms... whilst most workers get poorer in real terms? 'Cause that's gonna happen when inflation hits us.
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Yes. May is so sure of victory she doesn't even care about the pensioner vote this time round, which is quite unusual.
 
Dolph said:
So you don't accept the definition of disability in the equality act? To you, 'the disabled' is not synonymous with people with disabilities, but people who claim disability benefits?

Is my wife not disabled because she chooses not to claim benefits?
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What is wrong with you? Ever heard of context? Something you're taking it out of.
 
Moses said:
You say that as though all seats are Tory/Labour marginals :confused:. What about my constituency where it was a Lib Dem seat for years, but is now Tory with the Lib Dems clearly in second? Voting Labour would be a wasted vote.
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Not at all, due to the idiotic first past the post system, that essentially forces a two horse race. It's not true democracy first past the post but it's what we have.

Anyway, all tory opposition must unite to defeat the tory, splitting votes lib dem or labour will result in a weak opposition...... I'm more snp or lib dem in my views

But this is the life and death of the nhs, so opinion out the window and vote tactical.

By chance however corbyn has nearly all my views anyway so bonus.

Anyway hope that explains why your best voting labour, essentially its the more sound option mathematically to prevent tory rule from destroying the UK and life's of ordinary people.
 
Gabbatek said:
What is wrong with you? Ever heard of context? Something you're taking it out of.
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You set the context with your words, you have doubled down on it several times then when challenged you act indignant and blame me for reading your words, the fact that you continue to do it speaks volumes about your thought processes.

Disability doesn't define the person, regardless of if they claim benefits or not.
 
Combat squirrel said:
Not at all, due to the idiotic first past the post system, that essentially forces a two horse race. It's not true democracy first past the post but it's what we have.

Anyway, all tory opposition must unite to defeat the tory, splitting votes lib dem or labour will result in a weak opposition...... I'm more snp or lib dem in my views

But this is the life and death of the nhs, so opinion out the window and vote tactical.

By chance however corbyn has nearly all my views anyway so bonus.

Anyway hope that explains why your best voting labour, essentially its the more sound option mathematically to prevent tory rule from destroying the UK and life's of ordinary people.
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This doesn't explain why the anti tory vote has to side with Corbyn, by this logic, it could all go lib dem for the same result.
 
Moses said:
People also need to understand that people get exploited on various types of contract. You can have someone on a zero hours contract who isn't exploited, whilst another could be on a x/hour a week contract where x is added to with loads of voluntary overtime... which can be exploitative given how you don't get holiday pay for voluntary overtime, as it stands (there are ongoing cases which means the law might change definitively).
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You do get extra holiday pay on top of your normal rate due to overtime, the law changed last year.
 
Combat squirrel said:
Not at all, due to the idiotic first past the post system, that essentially forces a two horse race. It's not true democracy first past the post but it's what we have.

Anyway, all tory opposition must unite to defeat the tory, splitting votes lib dem or labour will result in a weak opposition...... I'm more snp or lib dem in my views

But this is the life and death of the nhs, so opinion out the window and vote tactical.

By chance however corbyn has nearly all my views anyway so bonus.

Anyway hope that explains why your best voting labour, essentially its the more sound option mathematically to prevent tory rule from destroying the UK and life's of ordinary people.
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I'm not voting Labour.

It's a bit of a jump to assume that a liberal will automatically have more in common with a socialist than a conservative. The Lib Dems tend toward being economically right-wing, bordering on Libertarian (except 2015, where they were something of a disaster). Pretty close to the opposite of Corbyn's Labour.
 
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Moses said:
It's completely retarded to suggest the best way of defeating the Tories is to vote for one party in particular. Clearly in many constituencies Labour, for example, aren't best placed to beat them. So eg. in South East Cornwall it'd be far more sensible to vote Lib Dem. Then if a miracle happens and the Tories don't get an overall majority there's at least a possibility of a centre-left coalition of some kind.
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You know what first past the post is right? you need x amount of seats to take a government and be the elected party? so splitting votes achieves no elected gov persay and we end up with a repeat of last time with lib/tory?

Thats why we all need labour.
 
All the elected representatives get thrown into a large blender and then piped out into 650 person-shaped moulds, before being slowly baked for a few hours to cure.
 
Combat squirrel said:
You know what first past the post is right? you need x amount of seats to take a government and be the elected party? so splitting votes achieves no elected gov persay and we end up with a repeat of last time with lib/tory?

Thats why we all need labour.
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you've got it the wrong way around again - thanks to people like you voting labour you're splitting the vote - if you want to oppose 'the tories' you should be voting for the more competent opposition which is the lib Dems :p

especially in areas where they've got a better chance of winning than labour!

really you ought to be looking at tactical voting depending on your constituency tbh... rather than simply saying one of the opposition parties is the one to go for
 
Moses said:
Not for voluntary overtime. It's quite a complicated area because you eg. have voluntary overtime, compulsory non guaranteed, compulsory guaranteed, etc. Then there's all the stuff about commission etc. The scope of the Working Time Directive/Working Time Regulations is slowly being expanded, but as it stands voluntary overtime doesn't get you holiday pay... although you could take your employer to a tribunal and you'd have a good chance, imo.
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Wrong, all my overtime is voluntary and when I take my holidays I get my normal daily rate + an enhancement for any overtime I have worked. This has only changed since last year when the law was changed regarding holiday pay & overtime. Before then it was just my flat daily rate.
 
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