Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting

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There's a benefit to being well-educated beyond the direct economic effect. I doubt we'd be having this snap election if the older generations had stayed in education longer.
 
Tunney said:
There's a benefit to being well-educated beyond the direct economic effect. I doubt we'd be having this snap election if the older generations had stayed in education longer.
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What is that claim based on? Do you have some stats re: the voting tendencies of those in the older generation who did go to university?
 
No1newts said:
Tories get such absurdly free pass publication coverage from pretty much every popular media outlet you're deluded to say that "left wing media" are twisting things (or whatever your exact wording was)

What's happened is even their cheerleaders in the BBC, Sky, Mail, Sun & Telegraph have turned on her brutal policies and now the lying cow is back peddling along with cronies like you.

Regarding two of your points above;

1) trending social media - if you cannot get fair media coverage in the mainstream press it stands to reason you will go to social media and it would only trend if people cared about it. So perhaps the facts aren't being reported in the media and what you see on social media is people's opinions.

2) whilst the guardian is certainly left wing it isn't blindly labour like the above pubs are blindly Tory. Read the guardian comments and it takes a long and large battering most days for its (impressive) degree of impartiality and how it is willing to criticise Corbyn and Labour more often than not.


On a different topic seeing Maybot scream about fake news, when ole Donald was you know what grabbing her she clearly asked him for a few electioneering lessons too.
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You can't claim the BBC are pro-Tory lol - BBC staff are the very definition of the liberal, metropolitan, champagne socialists who typically support Corbyn. They do at least try to moderate their bias but usually fail pretty badly.

1) The Trending News section is incredibly important because that's probably the only information people will see without going off to specifically search for it. Corbyn's Momentum movement know this and make sure they get what they want trending - it helped them enormously during the Labour leadership campaigns.

2) The Guardian will criticise the Labour party but as soon as an election campaign is in full swing they will normally abandon any sort of critical thinking and blindly support Labour -which is what they're doing now.
 
scorza said:
2) The Guardian will criticise the Labour party but as soon as an election campaign is in full swing they will normally abandon any sort of critical thinking and blindly support Labour -which is what they're doing now.
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I generally consider myself left wing to mostly centre ground. I admit that corbyn has his flaws and should be help accountable to them. Yet I will vote for labour because under FPTP any other vote would be wasted and will guarantee a tory win.

Perhaps the guardian and the readers realise this.
 
This further change to the social care charges will mean that those with more modest wealth could potentially pay a 50% wealth tax* when they die whereas those with vastly more will pay significantly less as a percentage.

If you add in the fact that someone receiving extremely expensive, potentially long-term care for things such as cancer etc. will not be paying anything then this policy actually increases inequity and encourages people to liquidate their assets and spend frivolously while they can.

In retrospect the so-called death tax proposed by Labour was a much better idea.

* Based on someone having 200k worth of assets with social care costs > 100k and a cap of 100k.
 
Tunney said:
There's a benefit to being well-educated beyond the direct economic effect. I doubt we'd be having this snap election if the older generations had stayed in education longer.
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Shorter education maybe (eight O levels, ONC construction) but a longer life experience. So I have seen the Wilson, Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major and Blair years and respective policies and their effects.
 
scorza said:
You can't claim the BBC are pro-Tory lol - BBC staff are the very definition of the liberal, metropolitan, champagne socialists who typically support Corbyn. They do at least try to moderate their bias but usually fail pretty badly.

1) The Trending News section is incredibly important because that's probably the only information people will see without going off to specifically search for it. Corbyn's Momentum movement know this and make sure they get what they want trending - it helped them enormously during the Labour leadership campaigns.

2) The Guardian will criticise the Labour party but as soon as an election campaign is in full swing they will normally abandon any sort of critical thinking and blindly support Labour -which is what they're doing now.
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I could easily argue about the BBC but I won't bother, I know ocuk and how people plant flags and then defend their hill forever, it's tedious.

Regarding the Guardian go have a read, you will see criticism of labour policies pretty much daily. As I say they are certainly pro labour but it is more balanced than the other side with the whole agenda they carry.

darkgen said:
Aye; back to basics. Time to support candidates who will best serve and support constitutional matters.
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Except you read about the conservatives and the fact that all decision are taken by May, Timothy and the other one (the two advisors are apparently having an affair which is amusing considering May's much pedalled Christian values shtick) and even cabinet ministers are sidelined.

So if the cabinet haven't got a say I doubt your local MP will have any input.
 
No1newts said:
Regarding the Guardian go have a read, you will see criticism of labour policies pretty much daily. As I say they are certainly pro labour but it is more balanced than the other side with the whole agenda they carry.
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this is the thing - the Guardian are a left leaning paper and even they are quite critical of Corbyn at times... that ought to highlight that this isn't just some right wing media conspiracy, there are genuine issues with the man - some people on here just want to stick their head in the sand and ignore that simply because their dislike of the Tories comes ahead of anything else
 
dowie said:
this is the thing - the Guardian are a left leaning paper and even they are quite critical of Corbyn at times... that ought to highlight that this isn't just some right wing media conspiracy, there are genuine issues with the man - some people on here just want to stick their head in the sand and ignore that simply because their dislike of the Tories comes ahead of anything else
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Guardian is a blairite paper.

/thereisaidit.
 
My comment of the day regarding page 82 of the conservatives manifesto.

If I wanted the government cut off the internet an build a china style garden, I would have moved to Turkey where the weather and food are better, or China where billions can be made if you have the right idea.
Not in Britain.
 
dowie said:
well what has been proposed so far has included what is essentially a 'floor' of 100k if they were to introduce a 'cap' (say 100k) above that then it wouldn't make any difference for most people except to insure the estates of a small portion of people requiring rather a lot of care... and thus remove the 'bedroom tax' style branding the press/opposition are going for: 'dementia tax'
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It should be a cap much lower than that. There was nothing wrong with the Dilnot report from 5 years ago and they could have implemented that. It had a cap, had people paying who could afford it and also had all pensioners paying some kind of insurance up to the cap (£60k lifetime I think) and this would cover most of the costs of social care and leave the taxpayer funding any over £60k.
 
dowie said:
What is that claim based on? Do you have some stats re: the voting tendencies of those in the older generation who did go to university?
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Education was the single biggest indicator of voting intention in the EU referendum. Without a leave result, this snap election would not have happened and this the country would be in a stronger and more stable position.
 
Greebo said:
It should be a cap much lower than that. There was nothing wrong with the Dilnot report from 5 years ago and they could have implemented that. It had a cap, had people paying who could afford it and also had all pensioners paying some kind of insurance up to the cap (£60k lifetime I think) and this would cover most of the costs of social care and leave the taxpayer funding any over £60k.
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well they've not actually proposed the cap... and still if in some areas the average cost of even residential care is 50k then a 60k cap isn't exactly likely to be reached by most of the people going for non residential care
 
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