Nope. Bog standard employee. He's also 35 and has worked for them for 8 years so defo not on a grad scheme.
Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th
- Thread starter Destination
- Start date
- Status
IT for the NHS has done better than other areas - dunno why my brother left as he went from like band 4 or something to basically band 7 or 8 pay over a few years moving into specialisation and then just walked away from it :s
They seem to push everyone in IT to increase their skill level, potentially reapplying for another job within the organisation and move up a band at yearly intervals for some reason.
Man of Honour
- Joined
- 17 Feb 2003
- Posts
- 29,640
- Location
- Chelmsford
I don't fancy voting in a party that strongly backs the unions in time when we need foreign investment once we are out of the EU.
Yup. Certainly seems to be an interesting one. More chiefs than Indians who mostly seem to do nowt!
I love the stories I get from him, the incompetence, waste and corruption is staggering.
The promotion thing is also true. But what he's pointed out is it very quickly results in people being promoted well beyond their abilities.
Associate
- Joined
- 18 Oct 2002
- Posts
- 1,371
- Location
- Northumberland
Like Blair's goverment in 1997 you mean?
Your saying so doesn't make it true. What evidence do you have?
You must be a conservative supporter or a troll.
What exactly have labour got 'on point'?
Die hard labour supporters are jumping ship.
You also claim to be pro-EU. Lib Dems are more pro-EU at this point in time than labour. Yet your claiming to be jumping ship to Labour.
Think we might have had this conversation before but as I've mentioned previously I've a friend who works in the admin of patient transport side and the levels of management and sheer number of staff involved for a fairly simple job is staggering - what would be 2-3 people in any other industry is staffed by 5-7 people some of them managers by name but don't actually do any management just essentially act as a conduit.
Indeed, they might even invade Iraq or ban fox hunting despite colossal public opposition >.>
Public sector has suffered from 'middle management' bloat for years.
It's not just middle management though. It's all levels. There are 8 people doing the same job as my friend and on a day to day basis they only realistically need 4. He also pointed out nepotism is rife, not just in his but many other departments.
He will be on a pay band, once he is at the top he won't continue to get pay rises, the other increase is a cost of living increase which will be 1% like the rest of the public service, better than nothing obviously but not exactly an awesome increase in pay.
It's fine while you are at the bottom or middle of your band as you get a nice little increase each year, but once you're at the top it's either hope for a promotion to pop up or move on as you won't be getting any extra (other than the 1%) which they can decide not to offer if they want to.
That's correct. Once he's at the top he won't but that's where the promotions mentioned come in. Nobody stays at the top unless it's by choice. Basically ask for a promotion and you get one.
However the point remains, it was incorrectly stated there having been no pay increases. There have.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 21 Jun 2006
- Posts
- 38,367
corruption is staggering but again it's down to the people who have been promoted in the past well beyond their means.
my old manager for instance. didn't matter how hard anyone in her team worked. the yearly bonus was given to her drinking buddies who did nothing. therefore no incentive for anyone in her team to do any work.
the whole application process is staggering too. as then those corrupt individuals in power then have the means to promote who they want rather than who is best for the job.
my old manager. must have done about a weeks worth of work in the 2 years i worked for her. she even went out her way to try and stop me applying for jobs and they had the power to stop you from being promoted too. it was easier to apply as an external candidate than an internal one. corruption was rife in my old office. she even got her drinking buddy promoted few months back. both have the IQ of a budgie.
Soldato
- Joined
- 1 Mar 2010
- Posts
- 6,316
It's not just that. The main artefact of the FPTP system is that parties take a long time, electorally, to die and recover. It keeps the fringes out, but also frustrates any credible third party attempting to stage an upset. Labour did not rise overnight. Liberals didn't die so quickly either. From a much stronger position of 130+ MPs, Labour also took a while to get back into government after a crushing defeat. The SDP didn't do as well as had been expected. So although it's a positive to see any opposition party getting back up, it's for the Tories to lose this snap election, not anyone else to win.
I dunno details but what some of them do is some kind of move between trusts and then after awhile back again - they essentially end up more or less back in their old job but on the next band up :s
Not sure what the point is here? Because it's happened before means it's okay for it to happen again?
Caporegime
- Joined
- 21 Jun 2006
- Posts
- 38,367
ask for a promotion and you get one? that is BS unless it's a corrupt office and you happen to be the person in charges best mate.
Exactly mirrors what I've heard and also what I've experienced. I was looking at nhs jobs a while back and noticed something very interesting. They'd all have a very odd requirement. Like a completely useless qualification. Upon speaking to a few people I know they pointed out it's because someone will already have been earmarked for that position and they'd have that odd requirement. It therefore acted as a way to protect and ensure their appointment.
- Status