Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

Who will you vote for?

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Lib Dem

  • UKIP

  • Other (please state)

  • I won't be voting

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One things for sure in this election, UKIP is done. Brexit is happening now. Wouldn't be surprised if they total vote drops below a million.
 
Is Corbyn still saying that he wouldn't use Trident under any circumstances? There's no point having a deterrent if you say you'll never use it. I think if he became PM then he'd definitely get rid of all the UK's nuclear weapons.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Meanwhile, May trades on being a Christian with her traditional voting base, but seems happy to screw over the poor, disabled, etc, which isn't the most Christian approach.

It's almost as though politicians say one thing and people don't notice that they merrily carry on with doing another.
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Isn't JRM the more extreme caricature of just this? The faith is there as a prop for their 'traditional' performance and a stick to beat the faithful with. It's also occasionally useful in manufacturing conviction and justifying socially conservative moves, to mask the economic programme that's far from charitable. In the US it's even less coherent: family values, abuse of women and private affairs, with or without same sex entanglements, can be defended in the same breath. By the fluke of that electoral system and demographics of the GOP, Trump's also a man of faith, would you believe!

Mr Jack said:
I find it interesting how Corbyn talks up party democracy but is actually quite unwilling to unambiguously accept their decisions when he disagrees with them. Corbyn is in conflict with agreed Labour party policy on this.
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'I have a mandate' - 'I trump the party'. In many ways he's no different from May's vague power grabs on blank cheques. He's just a milder personality and it doesn't look as bad. Likewise, different populists mean different things by democracy, but it's normally not the representative kind.
 
Greebo said:
May is hugely anti gay. She has voted against every gay equality bill in parliament since she was an MP.
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Not true:

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Under Iain Duncan Smith’s leadership, Mrs May obeyed the Tory whip to vote against many early reforms, including an equal age of consent and same-sex adoptions – even when others including George Osborne and Boris Johnson rebelled.

But within a few years, pro-LGBT voices had become more mainstream within the Conservative Party, and May’s stance was softening. In 2004, under leader Michael Howard, she was absent for votes on gender recognition but voted in favour of civil partnerships for same-sex couples – the first time she had openly backed an LGBT rights measure. Both her stance and her party’s would continue to shift.

Under David Cameron’s leadership, it was Mrs May who helped first ensure that proposals for same-sex marriage made it onto the Conservative agenda – promising a review in 2010.

Ahead of the 2010 election, Mrs May penned the Conservative Party’s ‘Contract for Equalities’, published alongside their manifesto, in which she made the seemingly-innocuous pledge: “We will also consider the case for changing the law to allow civil partnerships to be called and classified as marriage.”

The same year, the Home Secretary also took the chance to apologise for her former stance on gay adoption.

Speaking on Question Time, she conceded: “I have changed my view. If those votes were taken today, I would take a different vote.”
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(Source).
 
I think Farron's views on homosexuality can be summed up pretty succinctly as:

It isn't up to the individual or the state to judge. It isn't up to the state to interfere, and people should be free to live their lives how they chose, without prejudice. Yet he isn't sure whether or not, ultimately, God would approve.

Personally, I have no issue with that. I don't believe in the great sky pixie. But I can see why it's a difficult issue for many Christians; how can anyone of faith be sure that nearly 2000 years of teachings on the subject have been wrong, and that enlightenment on this issue has only come about in the past ~30? Has anyone consulted 'The Almighty'?

He has a better record on LGBT rights than most religious MPs. In the unlikely event we ended up with Prime Minister Farron, I seriously doubt there would be a negative impact on LGBT rights, so I see no reason for concern.
 
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satchef1 said:
I think Farron's views on homosexuality can be summed up pretty succinctly as:

It isn't up to the individual or the state to judge. It isn't up to the state to interfere, and people should be free to live their lives how they chose, without prejudice. Yet he isn't sure whether or not, ultimately, God would approve.

Personally, I have no issue with that.
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But unfortunately, that's not what he said.
 
satchef1 said:
I think Farron's views on homosexuality can be summed up pretty succinctly as:

It isn't up to the individual or the state to judge. It isn't up to the state to interfere, and people should be free to live their lives how they chose, without prejudice. Yet he isn't sure whether or not, ultimately, God would approve.

Personally, I have no issue with that. I don't believe in the great sky pixie. But I can see why it's a difficult issue for many Christians; how can anyone of faith be sure that nearly 2000 years of teachings on the subject have been wrong, and that enlightenment on this issue has only come about in the past ~30? Has anyone consulted 'The Almighty'?

He has a better record on LGBT rights than most religious MPs. In the unlikely event we ended up with Prime Minister Farron, I seriously doubt there would be a negative impact on LGBT rights, so I see no reason for concern.
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For me, the issue is not so much his position as such, but his refusal to acknowledge it. It makes you wonder what other positions he's hiding.
 
Rroff said:
He does talk a lot of sense in some of what he has said recently - but at the end of the day he is now poison and would drag down any party he got involved with due to his legacy.
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"I learnt a lot in government, and I’ve learnt a lot since leaving government. The kind of journey of being in government is that you start at your most popular and least capable, and you end at your most capable and least popular."

I do sometimes wonder; if it wasn't for the Iraq war, would Blair be back in office? He made plenty of mistakes, but I'd still rank him as the most capable (note: not necessarily best) Prime Minister since Thatcher.
 
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satchef1 said:
I think Farron's views on homosexuality can be summed up pretty succinctly as:

It isn't up to the individual or the state to judge. It isn't up to the state to interfere, and people should be free to live their lives how they chose, without prejudice. Yet he isn't sure whether or not, ultimately, God would approve.

Personally, I have no issue with that. I don't believe in the great sky pixie. But I can see why it's a difficult issue for many Christians; how can anyone of faith be sure that nearly 2000 years of teachings on the subject have been wrong, and that enlightenment on this issue has only come about in the past ~30? Has anyone consulted 'The Almighty'?

He has a better record on LGBT rights than most religious MPs. In the unlikely event we ended up with Prime Minister Farron, I seriously doubt there would be a negative impact on LGBT rights, so I see no reason for concern.
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The more succinct theological point still: The final judgement is not the preserve of man.
 
Dolph said:
For me, the issue is not so much his position as such, but his refusal to acknowledge it. It makes you wonder what other positions he's hiding.
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Without meaning any offence, you're not normal.

What I mean is, you actually have a considered opinion on political matters. I'm sure you can understand why someone would be guarded on such a subject given how the disinterested majority form their opinions. If you go back far enough, before the coalition, you'll find that he was somewhat more open about his personal struggle in balancing Christianity and Liberalism.
 
satchef1 said:
"I learnt a lot in government, and I’ve learnt a lot since leaving government. The kind of journey of being in government is that you start at your most popular and least capable, and you end at your most capable and least popular."
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I'm not a fan of the man at all but he actually wouldn't be a bad option right now objectively - potentially less damaging to the interests of the average person on the street than May, has it more together than Corbyn and more experienced by far than Farron.
 
satchef1 said:
Without meaning any offence, you're not normal.

What I mean is, you actually have a considered opinion on political matters. I'm sure you can understand why someone would be guarded on such a subject given how the disinterested majority form their opinions. If you go back far enough, before the coalition, you'll find that he was somewhat more open about his personal struggle in balancing Christianity and Liberalism.
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No need to feed Lynton Crosby as leader of a major party, at any rate. That guru's whole approach hinges on people imagining their worst fear of other people, and acting if those had come to pass for short-term political ends. (Which is why he rarely advises running several of his wedges back to back - it backfires.) He's incorrigible.
 
Well, ill be.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/22/student-tory-groups-swell-backlash-left-wing-activists/

Students are joining university Conservative societies in growing numbers in reaction to the activities of left-wing activists on campus, it is being claimed.

Several Conservative student groups at Britain's leading universities doubled in size last year, new figures show - with membership at the Cambridge University Conservative Association swelling by more than 40 per cent.

The number of new members at Brunel University’s student Conservative society has surged by more than 400 per cent, while the Conservative and Unionist Association at Edinburgh University has almost tripled in size.
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Guess it's finally punk to be... uh ye old establishment.
 
scorza said:
Is Corbyn still saying that he wouldn't use Trident under any circumstances? There's no point having a deterrent if you say you'll never use it. I think if he became PM then he'd definitely get rid of all the UK's nuclear weapons.
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Of course he wouldn't use it, this is the man that doesn't want to bomb ISIS.
 
Johno please? said:
Of course he wouldn't use it, this is the man that doesn't want to bomb ISIS.
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His Trident stance is well known. But do you even read the thread? From Dolph's earlier summary, under misc, highlighted for digestion:

How Jeremy Corbyn voted on Miscellaneous Topics
  • Generally voted for greater regulation of gambling
  • Consistently voted against capping civil service redundancy payments
  • Almost always voted against Labour's anti-terrorism laws
  • Consistently voted against the privatisation of Royal Mail
  • Almost always voted for requiring pub companies to offer pub landlords rent-only leases
  • Almost always voted against restricting the scope of legal aid
  • Consistently voted against allowing national security sensitive evidence to be put before courts in secret sessions
  • Generally voted against a statutory register of lobbyists
  • Almost always voted against limits on success fees paid to lawyers in no-win no fee cases
  • Consistently voted for restrictions on fees charged to tenants by letting agents
  • Generally voted against the policies included in the 2010 Conservative / Liberal Democrat Coalition Agreement
  • Consistently voted for the Iraq war
  • Almost always voted for investigations into the Iraq war
  • Almost always voted for replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system
  • Generally voted against more EU integration
  • Generally voted for a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU
  • Almost always voted against strengthening the Military Covenant
  • Almost always voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK
  • Generally voted against UK membership of the EU
  • Consistently voted for military action against ISIL
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As awkward as it is for his supporters, alongside Jeremy's concern with civil liberties, humanitarian causes and old-fashioned Labour totems, he did vote for both military action against ISIL and the war in Iraq. Unless Dolph copy/pasted wrong from the government's website.
 
datalol-jack said:
His Trident stance is well known. But do you even read the thread? From Dolph's earlier summary, under misc, highlighted for digestion:



As awkward as it is for his supporters, alongside Jeremy's concern with civil liberties, humanitarian causes and old-fashioned Labour totems, he did vote for both military action against ISIL and the war in Iraq. Unless Dolph copy/pasted wrong from the government's website.
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That's not correct. According to the website he voted 6-0 against the Iraq war and 2-0 against taking military action against ISIS.
 
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