Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39685106

I don't get this policy.

The manifesto pledge would outline plans to cap bills for seven out of 10 households paying standard variable tariffs, which are often criticised as bad deals for consumers by industry watchdogs.
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From that, I'm taking it that people that don't bother to shop around and switch (lazy) will have their crappy tariffs capped. This will most likely put price pressures on at the cheaper end for the people that do shop around. It's the sort of crap that Labour would come up with.
 
Fubsy said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39685106

I don't get this policy.



From that, I'm taking it that people that don't bother to shop around and switch (lazy) will have their crappy tariffs capped. This will most likely put price pressures on at the cheaper end for the people that do shop around. It's the sort of crap that Labour would come up with.
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Depends on how they go about it. Some of the sweetener deals on services have nasty footprints, whereby loyal customers are punished to make up the difference which attracts new customers with better switch offers. I'd just make switching even easier, and regulate contract terms/ads more forcefully. We are heading for smart homes, after all. So thinking roaming for major services.
 
datalol-jack said:
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Changing is extremely simple if you know how to use the internet - which I concede does penalise the older generations, maybe that's why the Tories are pursuing this. Your browse the tariffs on offer, choose it and everything is done for you.

I've changed 3 times in the past three years because each time when the tariff ends the new terms or tariffs on offer are horrendous (always talking an extra £200-£300 PA). It's all part and parcel of running a home these days as far as I am concerned. We do it with most utilities/contracts, and soon with water as well. It's our own personal responsibility to keep the energy giants on their toes.
 
The energy cap thing is ridiculous. For starters, it's very clearly not a traditional small government low interference conservative policy. It also wouldn't be necessary if the government stopped meddling with energy companies, like if they were either properly privatised or properly nationalised rather than the stupid halfway house we've got now where nominally privately owned but are subsidised.
 
Evangelion said:
But unfortunately, that's not what he said.
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Indeed. On this occasion it isn't. But it's a topic he's talked about at length previously; it isn't difficult to track down more detail.

It was a standard political trap; the people asking the questions already know the (detailed) answers, they're just hunting for the soundbyte. The first attempt failed because the wrong question was asked; the bible doesn't teach that homosexuality is a sin. He could answer "No" without lying. The second attempt was far more direct; according to traditional Christian views, gay sex is a sin. But there's a lot of stuff we do every day that traditional Christianity considers a sin. To quote Mr Farron; "[to] understand Christianity is to understand that we are all sinners".

Ultimately, the premise of the trap is rather simple; it prays on people's misconception of modern Christianity. The idea that there's peril or shame in failing to live a sin-free life is distinctly middle-ages (unless you live in the Bible Belt in the USA).
 
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Fubsy said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39685106

I don't get this policy.



From that, I'm taking it that people that don't bother to shop around and switch (lazy) will have their crappy tariffs capped. This will most likely put price pressures on at the cheaper end for the people that do shop around. It's the sort of crap that Labour would come up with.
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I hate stuff like this.

I like being a savvy consumer. I like that my money goes far further than those too lazy to learn how the game works. Every time one of these policies comes up, it threatens to increase my bills for the benefit of the feckless.
 
Fubsy said:
Changing is extremely simple if you know how to use the internet - which I concede does penalise the older generations, maybe that's why the Tories are pursuing this. Your browse the tariffs on offer, choose it and everything is done for you.

I've changed 3 times in the past three years because each time when the tariff ends the new terms or tariffs on offer are horrendous (always talking an extra £200-£300 PA). It's all part and parcel of running a home these days as far as I am concerned. We do it with most utilities/contracts, and soon with water as well. It's our own personal responsibility to keep the energy giants on their toes.
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Things may be improving, but be mindful of the rural, disabled and poor. The internet uptake, which makes simpler switching and smart homes possible, is of course traceable:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/itandinternetindustry/bulletins/internetusers/2016

  • 10.2% (5.3 million) had never used the internet compared with 11.4% in 2015.
  • 25.0% of disabled adults had never used the internet in 2016, down from 27.4% in 2015.
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The impact on vulnerable groups lacking the same facilities and capabilities as your average house owner is not negligible.

Greebo said:
Link says 10????????????? In fact the headline says 10????????????????
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On their average surge, it's forecast between 4 and 12, depending on what happens to SUKIP and the Greens.
 
datalol-jack said:
As awkward as it is for his supporters, alongside Jeremy's concern with civil liberties, humanitarian causes and old-fashioned Labour totems, he did vote for both military action against ISIL and the war in Iraq. Unless Dolph copy/pasted wrong from the government's website.
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I know you know now but I guess you haven't seen the 3 minute video of him doing nothing but shouting about how war is bad from 2003 then.
 
Quartz said:
I think they might be editing it. The link definitely says 12.
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Strange my link has always said this and still does

SNP 'to lose 10 seats' to Tories in major blow to Nicola Sturgeon

A Panelbase survey, commissioned by The Sunday Times Scotland, put support for the Scottish Tories at 33 per cent, an increase of an astonishing 18 points compared to the 2015 general election.

They currently have only one Scottish MP, David Mundell, the Scottish Secretary, but this would give them 12 seats including 10 from the Nationalists and one from Labour. This would be their best result in Scotland since Sir Edward Heath's government in the 1970s.
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I think you are getting confused with it saying the Tories will have 12 seats.
 
Johno please? said:
I know you know now but I guess you haven't seen the 3 minute video of him doing nothing but shouting about how war is bad from 2003 then.
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After three text walls, that quote chain went wrong. But yes, Jeremy Corbyn is a pacifist. Which is also why those two vote entries stood out to me, and I'm surprised nobody else picked up on it. Ah well. Should've looked it up myself.
 
satchef1 said:
I hate stuff like this.

I like being a savvy consumer. I like that my money goes far further than those too lazy to learn how the game works. Every time one of these policies comes up, it threatens to increase my bills for the benefit of the feckless.
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While energy utility switching isn't always as annoying as say broadband it's still a nuisance to have to do it, especially on a vital service.

It doesn't need to be so complicated, all the companies are offering the same thing and yet it gets split in to a multitude of different tariffs. Simplify it, discount for long term tie in or a fair standard tariff (which should be the same rate for pre-pay meters).
They could still do things like cash back bonuses for new customers / savvy switchers but the current system is just designed to confuse people, particularly the most vulnerable.

(I say this as someone who likes to find the best deal on everything btw but I still see the current system as being pretty ridiculous)
 
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It doesn't matter how easy switching might be when you have suppliers like Npower who are going to keep trying to bill people for months after they've left. I can see why people decide they can't be bothered with the hassle. Nobody would be talking about having to cap energy prices if the providers hadn't managed to wind everybody up.
 
MonkeyMan said:
While energy utility switching isn't always as annoying as say broadband it's still a nuisance to have to do it, especially on a vital service.

It doesn't need to be so complicated, all the companies are offering the same thing and yet it gets split in to a multitude of different tariffs. Simplify it, discount for long term tie in or a fair standard tariff (which should be the same rate for pre-pay meters).
They could still do things like cash back bonuses for new customers / savvy switchers but the current system is just designed to confuse people, particularly the most vulnerable.

(I say this as someone who likes to find the best deal on everything btw but I still see the current system as being pretty ridiculous)
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Energy is balls anyway, because they are all providing the same thing. It's not even like it's similar, it's literally the same thing from the same places delivered by the same infrastructure. There should be no competition because there is basically nothing to compete over. It's utter nonsense.
 
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