Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

[Caged]

Good summary. I would probably say the audience thing is in part the difference between policies which promise the moon billed to someone else vs doing what you believe to be right even if it is not popular.

What part of the Conservative campaign so far has been about being honest with people about tough choices rather than pointing at Corbyn and saying "he's worse than us"? All the talking points to their MPs this evening were about negative campaigning, and May is framing per-pupil school funding cuts as an overall increase. Nowhere am I getting the impression she's prepared to tell the electorate that she's doing the unpopular, but correct, thing.

 

[Feek]

Much better performance from Theresa May I thought. Corbyn looked like he was going to cry at times when being questioned by Paxman.

I think you have gender identification problems. I saw the complete opposite.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

I think you have gender identification problems. I saw the complete opposite.

Ditto.

 

[chrismscotland]

Not sure it matters who is PM, Brexit will destroy us for years to come.

Have to agree.... as a Scot I only hope we can get away....

 

[Dolph]

Losing access to 27 trade deals across the EU (plus other non eu countries) is much worse than the EU 27 loosing access to one ... no matter how big our economy currently is.
It wouldnt be a mutual destruction....the EU would survive much easier

Not in financial services, there simply isn't the capacity on the continent to replace London in under 2 years as a means of bringing money into the eu from the rest of the world.

 

[Dolph]

Have to agree.... as a Scot I only hope we can get away....

How? It's been made crystal clear that an independent Scotland would not be in the eu either...

 

[Danthus]

Right now I imagine that in CCHQ they are cringing at Theresa May's performance.

 

[chrismscotland]

How? It's been made crystal clear that an independent Scotland would not be in the eu either...

True but its more likely that we would be in the Single Market (European Free Trade Association) as while we wouldn't get straight back into the EU it seems like EFTA would be straightforward, I'd rather than than a no-holds barred Hard Brexit personally and would probably prefer EFTA to the full-blown EU as well actually.

 

[Jonners]

Last time round I said Conservative, but I just can't bring myself to do it. Labour all the way as always with me.

 

[Captain]

I read something earlier that said corbyn will look at staying in the eu if Labour get the majority, still part of his campaign or was it old?

 

[Caged]

I'm sure both sides can agree that these are some of the weakest leaders we've had for quite a while.

 

[Dolph]

What part of the Conservative campaign so far has been about being honest with people about tough choices rather than pointing at Corbyn and saying "he's worse than us"? All the talking points to their MPs this evening were about negative campaigning, and May is framing per-pupil school funding cuts as an overall increase. Nowhere am I getting the impression she's prepared to tell the electorate that she's doing the unpopular, but correct, thing.

The social care changes are a big example. There is a need to improve funding in social care. There is an imbalance in wealth between generations, so pushing some of those costs onto that wealth is an unpopular, but necessary thing.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

+1

I suspect Corbyn is more respected in the EU than May's bunch tbh.

 

[VincentHanna]

As leaders of their parties:
Clegg was better than Farron
Cameron was better than May
Farage was better than Nuttal (ick)

I think Corbyn is better than Ed Milliband though.

 

[delta0]

I suspect Corbyn is more respected in the EU than May's bunch tbh.

Someone who will roll over to the EU would be! The EU won't ever offer a good deal to someone that won't walk away. We are guaranteed a bad deal with Labour in charge.

 

[danielanthony]

I think someone said that this election is like choosing between syphilis and gonorrhoea, as time goes on I find myself agreeing more.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Have to agree.... as a Scot I only hope we can get away....

Have more chance of getting another referendum with Labour in power. A vote for Labour, is a vote for the SNP's long term ambition.

 

[Caged]

The social care changes are a big example. There is a need to improve funding in social care. There is an imbalance in wealth between generations, so pushing some of those costs onto that wealth is an unpopular, but necessary thing.

I think if they were committed to the idea of doing the right thing for the country long-term but likely unpopular now then they'd have stuck with the original conviction of there not being a cap but instead just being a lower limit. Changing your mind in the face of public backlash (see also self employed NI contributions) doesn't really project the image of someone who will make tough, correct, but unpopular decisions. It just says politics as usual.

 

[McPhee]

Clegg was better than Faron, Cameron was better than May, Farage was better than Nuttal but I think Corbyn is better than Ed Milliband.

I think that's fair.

Corbyn is the best leader Labour has had since Blair. That's not saying much, I know. It's just a shame that his past keeps getting in the way of policy debate (tonight being just another example). I'd like to see the manifesto challenged more, as it's more than a little excessive in places.

 

[dalehitchy1]

Someone who will roll over to the EU would be! The EU won't ever offer a good deal to someone that won't walk away. We are guaranteed a bad deal with Labour in charge.

What makes you think they will offer a good deal to may.
We all must know by now... any 'deal' put to us will be worse

And at this point in time... a deal cant even be talked about until May gets pushed over on the LEAVING terms first.... she hasnt got a leg to stand on