Which is basically circular self fulfilling idiocy and will be until people come to realise it en mass for themselves
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Which is basically circular self fulfilling idiocy and will be until people come to realise it en mass for themselves
Utter, epic, make it up as you go along, shilling at it's best, rubbish.
Soldato
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You have to realise it's people like you shilling for your chosen party who purposefully perpetuate the myth and try to persuade voters to give up their preferred vote for the LibDems/green/whoever under the guise of "it's a wasted vote and you'll just get the Tories in" in a cynically bid to boost votes for labour.
LOL, that's the first time I've been accused of shilling.
I've never voted Labour before, btw
I'm not a Labour party member; I'm not affiliated with Labour in any way. I'm not campaigning for Labour. I haven't tried to get anybody else to vote Labour. I've not recommended that people vote Labour.I very much dislike the Tories, but so do many people. That doesn't make me a shill.
I post nothing here but my own opinion. Sometimes educated, but not always
Realistically, if your hope is that people change their behaviour "en masse", then it's not going to happen.Which is basically circular self fulfilling idiocy and will be until people come to realise it en mass for themselves
Change is almost always gradual, but FPTP does not reward gradual change.
Frankly, if we all voted for the party we wanted, what do you expect would happen? This election, next election, the one after that.... It'd be Tory, Tory, Tory, Tory.... whilst the centre and left of centre voters split their vote among Green/LibDem/Labour, and the right of centre all voted Tory.
I don't like it either. It's why I think we are collectively idiots for choosing to keep FPTP in that referendum.
This is probably the first election where I've felt largely conflicted. In general I've always classed myself as something like a 'compassionate conservative', if that means anything then at least to me it means 'do what good is possible without ******* the economy and without pandering to people who are utterly feckless'. Usually that seems like a tory vote but a lot of people who's opinions I 'kinda' respect are leaning toward Labour and I can't actually see why. I've got the Tory and Labour manifestos open in front of me and to my eyes I see on the Labour side largely hopeful promises with some fairly decent ideas and on the Tory side what seems like fairly restrained and 'conservative' hopes without breaking the bank.
Anyone out there care to put forward their preferred party with some actually tangible arguments? If it helps I'm a director of a very small (<6 employees) company trying to expand and keep afloat, with one toddler and another on the way.
Anyone out there care to put forward their preferred party with some actually tangible arguments? If it helps I'm a director of a very small (<6 employees) company trying to expand and keep afloat, with one toddler and another on the way.
Soldato
OcUK comes across to me as a conservative (small c) forum, but is currently showing 47% for Labour and only 28% for the Conservatives?!
People appalled at the current Tory leadership and seeing that Corbyn isn't your usual politician, from either side.
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The silent majority I think that is. a lot of people vote out of fear or least worst choice, also a lot of voting is locally based and not off the party but the local member and their voting record, etc.
Got to look into demographics (all those old people are voting and those just past 18 arent even registered half the time) to understand why news and popular opinion can vary from actual votes. Just like that Trump victory though he was lucky it seems, the real election here and in US isnt about one giant count of votes. So the polls can never be accurate, its just a rough show. I hope we never have PR whatever happens btw
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Thanks MissChief and SilverSurfer 
I did vote Tory in the last election as I didn't mind David Cameron at all, but I absolutely cannot stand Theresa May and her 2017 manifesto. So I went for the tactical vote and gone for Labour via postal vote. Labour are in 2nd place in my constituency (Stafford) even though I agree with the Lib Dems' policies the most out of the big 3.
I did vote Tory in the last election as I didn't mind David Cameron at all, but I absolutely cannot stand Theresa May and her 2017 manifesto. So I went for the tactical vote and gone for Labour via postal vote. Labour are in 2nd place in my constituency (Stafford) even though I agree with the Lib Dems' policies the most out of the big 3.
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If Corbyn wins IMO I fear it will be a disaster.
My blood is blue but after weighing everythingup it's the lib dems for me for quite a few reasons, one being I don't agree with Brexit, another being it's a chance to shake things up a bit which is what many Brexit people were proud of last year. Also their manifesto is pretty decent.
Labour is a big "no" from me, I cannot vote in a party who were/are dysfunctional including calling for Corbyn to step down recently. Their manifesto sucks too, extra bank holidays, free school lunches, 28% corporation tax when corporation tax is paid by small companies too and it needs to be staggered to make the larger wealthier orgs pay more. When I looked at the lib dems manifesto it a few things instantly caught my attention - raising the standard of education or example, much better than free lunches, and something we do need to improve as compared to some countries its sub-standard. Lib dems also want to give us a chance to vote on whatever deal BRexit means - rather than give us a hard brexit regardless. We're gambling with the future of our country.
Labour always puts our country in a bigger debt hole and we need to move away from debt, as a country and as indivuals.
As for the NHS it needs an overhaul not more and more money thrown at it to drain out just as quickly.
Despite my vote Id rather the conservatives lead us through Brexit than Labour. They're not ready to lead our country, maybe in another 4 years they'll be better placed to but I won't vote for them then either but would be happier to see them lead later rather than now.
Free school lunches, slapping corp tax to 28%, extra bank holidays all to appeal to a certain type of people, the typical labour voter I suppose but each one has a flaw. Sure, there's more to labour that these things but nothing that I've seen has got be excited for labour.
My blood is blue but after weighing everythingup it's the lib dems for me for quite a few reasons, one being I don't agree with Brexit, another being it's a chance to shake things up a bit which is what many Brexit people were proud of last year. Also their manifesto is pretty decent.
Labour is a big "no" from me, I cannot vote in a party who were/are dysfunctional including calling for Corbyn to step down recently. Their manifesto sucks too, extra bank holidays, free school lunches, 28% corporation tax when corporation tax is paid by small companies too and it needs to be staggered to make the larger wealthier orgs pay more. When I looked at the lib dems manifesto it a few things instantly caught my attention - raising the standard of education or example, much better than free lunches, and something we do need to improve as compared to some countries its sub-standard. Lib dems also want to give us a chance to vote on whatever deal BRexit means - rather than give us a hard brexit regardless. We're gambling with the future of our country.
Labour always puts our country in a bigger debt hole and we need to move away from debt, as a country and as indivuals.
As for the NHS it needs an overhaul not more and more money thrown at it to drain out just as quickly.
Despite my vote Id rather the conservatives lead us through Brexit than Labour. They're not ready to lead our country, maybe in another 4 years they'll be better placed to but I won't vote for them then either but would be happier to see them lead later rather than now.
Free school lunches, slapping corp tax to 28%, extra bank holidays all to appeal to a certain type of people, the typical labour voter I suppose but each one has a flaw. Sure, there's more to labour that these things but nothing that I've seen has got be excited for labour.
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Pretty much sums up my views too.
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Labour liberal coalition? Is it unheard of?
The debt will never go down, no British politics will ever fix that.
This is just going to be a transition government for brexit. Who ever wins it will be out next time, blamed by history for getting a terrible deal.
The debt will never go down, no British politics will ever fix that.
This is just going to be a transition government for brexit. Who ever wins it will be out next time, blamed by history for getting a terrible deal.
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Corporation tax will be set at 26% not 28% for the large organisations. Small business will be set at 21%. Have you even read the manifesto ? So your big problem 'It needs to be staggered' is in fact addressed.
This is my concern is that people will be voting on hearsay and rote learned media opinions rather than actual research.
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Not in one video did he condemn the IRA. He refused to mention the word IRA. I want to hear him say " I condemn the IRA for the bombings"
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So you want him to condemn the IRA bombings (clearly he has) and also confirm he would happily nuke millions of people?
Bit of any oxymoron.
Bit of any oxymoron.
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He condemned all bombing.
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Why?
You won't ever vote for the man anyway.
Why keep repeating such rubbish, same strawman as asking him if he is willing to nuke millions of people.
Those moaning that he won't, will never vote for the man anyway.
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Scary isn't it.
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