Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

Who will you vote for?

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Lartyconshayo said:
Corporation tax will be set at 26% not 28% for the large organisations. Small business will be set at 21%. Have you even read the manifesto ? So your big problem 'It needs to be staggered' is in fact addressed.

This is my concern is that people will be voting on hearsay and rote learned media opinions rather than actual research.
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The problem is as always with labour voters, they actually think by taxing businesses and the 1% more, they are going to be better off for it. Utter nonsense and rubbish, nothing will change for them. If Corbyn gets in, im willing to bet any Labour voter cant say they are any better off in 5 years time.
 
icehot said:
The problem is as always with labour voters, they actually think by taxing businesses and the 1% more, they are going to be better off for it. Utter nonsense and rubbish, nothing will change for them. If Corbyn gets in, im willing to bet any Labour voter cant say they are any better off in 5 years time.
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thanks for that. Well after 7 years of austerity and slashing public services to the bone let's try a different approach.
 
icehot said:
The problem is as always with labour voters, they actually think by taxing businesses and the 1% more, they are going to be better off for it. Utter nonsense and rubbish, nothing will change for them. If Corbyn gets in, im willing to bet any Labour voter cant say they are any better off in 5 years time.
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Rather that than worse off?
 
Greebo said:
That's the issue though. A huge proportion of people on this forum are in the top 5%. He'll even I'm to
7% and my other half is top 4% maybe 3% so as a couple we are well up there in the top few percent.

With the Tories saying no tax increases for the top 5% and in general how they look after the top 5%, I can see why anybody in that group would want to vote for the Tories no matter how bad their policies are elsewhere like Fallon and May saying they would do a nuke first strike.
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The only message I hear from Corbyn for people there is no incentive to do better for myself because you will only be penalised for doing so. I could and would pay more contently if their message against having a high salary wasnt so hateful in my eyes.
 
icehot said:
The only message I hear from Corbyn for people there is no incentive to do better for myself because you will only be penalised for doing so. I could and would pay more contently if their message against having a high salary wasnt so hateful in my eyes.
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So you take the position that Asking the top 5% of earners (i.e. greater than £80,000) a year to contribute more for investment in the country they live/work in, means there is no incentive to earn 80K+ in this country, because it is hateful?

Makes worlds smallest violin symbol :)
 
Lartyconshayo said:
I notice the daily fail has a headline screaming for the election to be called off - I won't say any more than that and let folk draw their own conclusions
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Any terrorist attack reflects badly on TM and the conservatives policies of cut,cut,cut. Less police increases likelihood of this kind of thing happening.

Little wonder they want the election called off, cons face losing.
 
icehot said:
The only message I hear from Corbyn for people there is no incentive to do better for myself because you will only be penalised for doing so. I could and would pay more contently if their message against having a high salary wasnt so hateful in my eyes.
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I can see how it's confusing if you don't understand how taxation works.
 
godinman said:
This is probably the first election where I've felt largely conflicted. In general I've always classed myself as something like a 'compassionate conservative', if that means anything then at least to me it means 'do what good is possible without ******* the economy and without pandering to people who are utterly feckless'. Usually that seems like a tory vote but a lot of people who's opinions I 'kinda' respect are leaning toward Labour and I can't actually see why. I've got the Tory and Labour manifestos open in front of me and to my eyes I see on the Labour side largely hopeful promises with some fairly decent ideas and on the Tory side what seems like fairly restrained and 'conservative' hopes without breaking the bank.

Anyone out there care to put forward their preferred party with some actually tangible arguments? If it helps I'm a director of a very small (<6 employees) company trying to expand and keep afloat, with one toddler and another on the way.
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Lib Dems because they're less horrible than Con or Lab and more plausible as a government than the others. Can you even imagine the Green party as the government, for example? I don't mean imagine them getting elected. I mean imagine them as a functional government in the hypothetical case of them being elected.

It's not glowing praise, but it's what I've got. Con and Lab are both very authoritarian. Con has May, a wannabee dictator and personality cult (notice how the campaign is all about her, even when it's local material trying to persuade people to vote for the local conservative candidate) who'd sell everything, micromanage your life, gut infrastructure and sell it off on the cheap where it would end up owned by foreign or transnational businesses and we'd all pay more for barely getting by and who'd buy whatever your company produces? If you were a director of a large company and got rid of your compassion, it might make sense since you'd be one of the very few who'd benefit (and you could live in a different, freer country with better infrastructure). Lab has the Abbott and Corbyn show, which is an ugly farce deeply rooted in irrational prejudices (particularly racism and sexism) and contempt (or outright hatred) for this country. Corbyn looks a lot nicer nowadays than he did in the past, but how much of that is a real change and how much is just a facade for political reasons and how much is he run by Abbott? Also, he doesn't seem to be able to add up and neither of them seem to know what their own plans would cost. They'd buy everything, micromanage your life and the end result would probably be as bad. Differently bad in some ways, but as bad.

My conscience wouldn't let me vote for either of them. If it was a choice between Labour, Conservative and a bag of chips, I'd vote for the chips and hope the civil service would get the job done by itself or the queen would step in and rule directly.

Lib Dems seem OK to me, in terms of both what they stand for and competence. So I voted for them (postal vote, so I've voted already). Thanks to our...imperfect...democracy, my vote is useless anyway so I'm completely free to vote according to my conscience. That's an advantage, I suppose, but I'd much rather have a more democratic system. FPTP is great if you want a two party system where most votes are useless because the same party wins the seat every time. I live in a constituency that has never elected anything but Labour. Literally never - the constituency was formed just after WW2 and has voted Labour in every election since. It'll vote Labour again this time. Labour could field anyone here and get them elected. Even Abbott would get elected here.
 
So looking at the IFS analysis of the manifesto's Labour is spending £0.4bn more on the NHS than the Tories (insignificant), a lot more on Education and a lot more on 'public sector investment' (of which the IFS point out none of that has actually been nailed down i.e. they have no idea what they're actually spending that 'investment' on). The IFS's Taxation and Benefits analysis also shows that for the vast bulk of people there is essentially no difference between the Tories and Labour, unless you're a super high earner, you get hammered under Labour.

So from what I can see, Labours whole pitch is tax the rich to provide free higher education for kids. That is what it boils down to. From what I can see in the analysis austerity for many parts of the public sector are going to continue under Labour except for their cherry picked favourites (Education)

I'm quite partial to increasing capital spending on infrastructure but sadly for all the big numbers in the Labour manifesto there is no concrete vision of where that money is actually going. That is a concern for me. If you're going to invest large sums of money you at least need to know where its going. It takes years to plan and implement big capital projects.

Disappointing tbh.
 
How is continually taking a greater proportion of an individual's property based on financial success not a punishment for that financial success?
 
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I've just seen The Monster Raving Looney Party have a candidate in my area....being in a true blue area anyway, I may just take that option
 
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