Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

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Caporegime
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There's mutual benefit in the negotiations. It's not two people holding guns to each others heads, it's horse trading of what the other wants. Of course there will be a deal and it's not because we're "willing to walk away", it's because Britain has a lot to offer Europe just as Europe has a lot to offer us and a deal is a gain for both parties. Both the Conservatives and Labour know that. The biggest difference I think being that Corbyn is acknowledging it whilst May is trying to act like its a game of chicken for election purposes.

Of course there is mutual benefit, both parties have been clear on that. You're missing the point re: walking away - it has little to do with your analogy of holding a gun to each other.
 
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You're missing the point re: walking away - it has little to do with your analogy of holding a gun to each other.
Indeed, walking away is more akin to putting the gun to your own head XD

I'm always amazed whenever May/etc tout the "no deal is better than a bad deal" line, it's like how stupid would anyone have to be to actually buy that? It's THE WORST possible outcome, you cannot get a deal that bad unless you specifically demand it lol.

It's like being unhappy that a sale is only 10% off so you demand to pay full price instead XD
 
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Pound going down as Corbyn closes the gap. Not good!
Who is going to invest in Corbyn's Britain? Not many people I'd say - in the past Corbyn might have looked to attract investment from foreign socialist governments in Cuba and Venezuela, but Cuba is now transitioning to democracy and Venezuela is in a whole new world of pain. That means no jobs for people, no hope.
 
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Who is going to invest in Corbyn's Britain? Not many people I'd say - in the past Corbyn might have looked to attract investment from foreign socialist governments in Cuba and Venezuela, but Cuba is now transitioning to democracy and Venezuela is in a whole new world of pain. That means no jobs for people, no hope.

lolwhut :D
 
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Indeed, walking away is more akin to putting the gun to your own head XD

I'm always amazed whenever May/etc tout the "no deal is better than a bad deal" line, it's like how stupid would anyone have ot be to buy that? It's THE WORST possible outcome, you cannot get a deal that bad unless you specifically demand it lol.

Apart from the shining light that the UK would have board position on the WTO. That will surely change the dynamic of things.
 
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Fair play to Abbott she was asked a loaded question by I think Andy Marr recently on BBC breakfast about being black and what difference that made... she basically gave no direct reference to her race and said she would be leading based on her experience.

Meanwhile Rudd came across terribly!! Dodging the questions... and soooooo badddd beyond awful on encryption - she has just no understanding of it. Marr was saying "you do realise that for example internet banking doesn't work without encryption" and she was saying more or less "no you're missing the point we need a backdoor to all encryption to stop terrorists." Wut!! It was utter fail.
 
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Pound going down as Corbyn closes the gap. Not good!

Thats purely because of the chances of a hung parliament has increased not because Labour might win.

The Markets want a big lead. They dont care whether its Tories or Labour so long as one party has a good majority.

Anyway everybody kept telling me this was a good thing when Brexit was going on and that the pound is overvalued at $1.30 and it needs to drop to around parity.

Is that not the case anymore?
 
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But the Conservatives will extend the burden to cover both residential and in-home care.

the burden already includes residential home care, it is just that currently we're inconsistent/unfair towards people depending on how they've allocated their assets...

500k home and <23k in cash or other investments and you won't pay a thing

downsize to a 100k bungalow and has say 150k in cash or other investments thanks to downsizing from a 250k home and you'll (potentially) be reduced down to your last 23k


given that it isn't taken away until after you die where exactly is the justification in treating one asset differently to others? Why should the much wealthier person in the 500k home pay less than the poorer person in the 100k bungalow with half the total assets?

essentially the person in the 500k home will be paid for via general taxation... so the working population including plenty of people in their 20s and 30s who can't even afford a deposit are subsidising it

this could easily be a labour policy, most people seem to be criticising it because they've just glossed over and don't understand it or because it is being proposed by the Tories
 
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It's a positive that we have a government that can get things done when it needs to.

Whilst I agree (to an extent) it somewhat demeans democracy when your representative doesn't represent you. Whilst the US has 101 problems with its electoral system it's something I envy of their system that their representatives are first and foremost held accountable by their constituents for delivering what they voted them in for. Does it make for slower decision making? Absolutely, but I would opt for slower decision making that encourages representative democracy (as much as you can get in First past the post) over centralised, unanswerable enforcement of edicts.

I honestly don't think the Labour manifesto is worth the paper it's written on. You're telling me that a cabinet led by Corbyn, McDonnell, and Abbot are going to implement the parts of the manifesto they don't agree with? E.g. Trident? I don't think so. The Conservatives by contrast have shown with their manifesto that they are prepared to take the tough decisions that are unfortunately necessary for responsible governments to take. Labour make vague promises like setting up a National Care Service, but can't say what it will look like or how it'll be funded. Momentumites are frothing at the mouth at the prospect of TAX THE RICH! TAX THE RICH! but I rather think that such a service will end up with the poor paying a lot more tax as well.

Their manifesto is costed. I find it bizarre people keep tripping out this line when the Labour manifesto is costed and the Con one is vague and uncosted. Of course it's easy for the Cons to deliver when they don't say what it will be they will be delivering as they can do anything and claim success.

I'm an ex Con voter myself and whilst you say, making the necessary tough choices, this doesn't make sense as the economy has stagnated under them and all public services are on their knees. At the same time their have been tax breaks for wealthy and businesses. This isn't making tough choices it's making ideologically driven choices to appease your core at the detriment of the rest and then peddling a bit of casual racism to satisfy the ill educated.

Genuinely, give me three good policy decisions they had implemented in the last 8 years which have delivered a positive outcome for the country as a whole?

I've racked my brain and I can think of nothing, hence my change of allegiances.
 
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Indeed, walking away is more akin to putting the gun to your own head XD

I'm always amazed whenever May/etc tout the "no deal is better than a bad deal" line, it's like how stupid would anyone have to be to actually buy that? It's THE WORST possible outcome, you cannot get a deal that bad unless you specifically demand it lol.

It's like being unhappy that a sale is only 10% off so you demand to pay full price instead XD

It isn't necessarily the worse possible outcome and frankly the stupid thing (which I' really surprised some people are unable to grasp) would be to walk into a negotiation wanting a deal at any cost.
 
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I'm not liking the direction the Tories are going but Labour with the likes of Corbyn and Abbott in a position of power genuinely concerns me.

Thinking about the above, i'll have to vote Tory.
 
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