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Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II
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And this is what the IFS say about both the labour and conservative manifestos.
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-a...-how-the-ifs-dismantled-the-two-parties-plans
Playing devils advocate here:
1: May was a supporter of Bin Laden in the 80's and called for Nelson Mandela to be executed. Due to the way causes perspectives change it's pretty impossible to find any long term politician who has never been on friendly terms with an undesirable.
2: What do you dislike about his unwillingness to spend billions on upgrading our nuclear weapons system just so we can last an extra five minutes in a war with the USA? Because thats what the Trident upgrade is. There is no point upgrading our system if none of our would be enemies are upgrading their inferior systems and have no indication of doing so anytime soon.
3: He said he wouldn't press the button himself but wouldn't stop the next in line from doing so, now admittedly that is passing the buck, but as it doesn't really affect our nuclear deterrent it's not exactly a deal breaker for me.
I do agree with your views on Dianne Abbot, however Jeremy Corbyn has actually won a vote for the leadership of his party. He has been won two leadership votes in as many years. The same can't be said for Theresa May. The fact is, she only came to power because she snaked her way through the Brexit turmoil, while all the other far superior candidates else tied themselves in knots. She didn't win the right to lead her party in the same way Jeremy Corbyn did.
Scotland gets a higher per head spend though, by about £2000 thanks to the Barnett formula.
Removal of this subsidy would go a long way to addressing the differences, although it would be much fairer to limit the Scottish parliament to spending money it raises in Scotland.
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But she was elected by her own party, the same as Jeremy Corbyn. It's not her fault her opponent dropped out. As for having a mandate to lead the country, neither do at present (although technically May does as the Conservatives do having won the last election - and you elect your MP not the leader) and so this election will settle that also.
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Think they call that a straw-manCorbyn is no good anymore because the days when Venezuela and Cuba might have invested in the UK are gone? WHAT??
Obviously someone so intelligent as yourself would never use such a fallacious argument though.I asked who is going to invest in Corbyn's Britain? Not private investors for sure because they wouldn't get their money back. In the past he could have looked to socialist dictatorships in Latin America he was friendly with, but no longer as they're all either becoming democracies or going bankrupt. We could become totally dependent on China for sure, but at what price? At least while they're investing at the moment we can offer them a return on their investment.
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Also to stop their MPs voting on English matters...
IIRC the Labour leader is elected by party members, the Tory leader is elected by Tory MPs.
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Corbyn has been quite clear on his position on the IRA that he was pro peace, it's old shtick and strange to be peddled. Contrast that with Cons who have the active member of the party who is an ex IRA member and openly admits celebrating British soldiers deaths. Either you believe Corbyn or if he in your eyes is "culpable" then the Cons are equally so. He has a similar stance on other groups that he is pro peace, if you want to start tossing relations to Islamists in the Cons are far from clear in their arms deals so once again, it goes both ways or neither.
Regards the generic Abbot criticism (I'll be honest I'm not a huge fan myself) again you have nothing specific. Be specific and you can easily counter with equally applicable Tory blunders on contradiction, costing and general competence on pretty much every one of their Cabinet ministers they have trotted out this campaign. As I said I'm not a huge fan of Abbot and would rather she were not involved at such a high level but she is about par for course with most useless politicians.
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Don't forget that most Conservative voters will likely be at work at the moment, not everyone is able to browse internet forums at work.
No he's just tried to re-wirte his past - the publication he directed was clearly not pro-peace. He was pro unification and happy to associate with the groups carrying out an armed struggle to meet this goal - he could easily have supported the SDLP instead. If he was genuinely interested in peace he'd have met both sides, he also had no need to attend the various demonstrations/events etc.. that he did if his aims were simply peace/dialogue rather than support. It isn't strange at all that people are concerned about him regarding this - he actively supported and sympathised with terrorists responsible for killing British civilians including protesting at the trial of one of them... I wonder what the reaction would be if he took the same approach today re: the associates of the Manchester bomber?
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There was never a vote, all the other candidates dropped out. She won by default. Party members didn't even have to ratify it.
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lol!
the implication being most labour voters dont have jobs according to this dude ^^^
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All of this is why getting a good whole of life insurance policy at an early age is important.
If I end up needing care and the house has to be used, the kids still get a good lump sum when I die. I see it as more of a savings policy for them. Also free of tax when put in trust. If taken out at an early enough age then it need not cost the earth either.
Things will only get worse as well, as the current generation aged 60+ continues to do as much as they can to ensure they have the best living standards and screw the younger generations.
If I end up needing care and the house has to be used, the kids still get a good lump sum when I die. I see it as more of a savings policy for them. Also free of tax when put in trust. If taken out at an early enough age then it need not cost the earth either.
Things will only get worse as well, as the current generation aged 60+ continues to do as much as they can to ensure they have the best living standards and screw the younger generations.
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And hence she won her party's election still. There would be no point voting for one candidate.
To be fair they are more likely to be Tory voters. Suspect they will all be away in the Bahamas since its half term
They could have had a no vote??????? They wouldnt because of the chaos that would have entailed.
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Bit different to Labour, where all party members got a vote and Corbyn won both times by quite a landslide.
I run my own company, so can go on here whenever I want
. I'm even prepared to pay more corporation tax, unlike that selfish guy yesterday who wanted to shaft his staff on zero hours contracts and was whinging that he would have to pay VAT on private school fees. #FirstWorldProblems.
"Salt of the earth" Labour voter turned massive bell-cheese.
I run my own company, so can go on here whenever I want
. I'm even prepared to pay more corporation tax, unlike that selfish guy yesterday who wanted to shaft his staff on zero hours contracts and was whinging that he would have to pay VAT on private school fees. #FirstWorldProblems."Salt of the earth" Labour voter turned massive bell-cheese.
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