Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

[Glaucus]

You're going to have to expand on that for me please

People voted (wrongly imo) to leave the EU
A way was found to try and stop it
It got to the supreme court
The government defended their right to trigger article 50 on their own which they thought they could based on the vote
They lost
They put a bill through parliament to trigger article 50
It passed

How does this create a dictatorship?


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it does, it always needed to, she knew that, she was advised that. This is why it was a power grab ad why it failed. It was not some innocent thing, of doing what the country wanted,. it was actively trying to set precedent to go against parliament and do what she wanted, with no oversight or remit.

So yes she tried to do a palatine and lost.
and yet you still seem to be voting for her, who will remove your rights including those of freedom to vote etc. Making it far easier for her or anyone in the future to overide parliament and do as they please.

 

[danielanthony]

My critiscism of her is that she just seems in a daze all the time. Could well be because of the current news she is ill. If that is to be believed. She just seems unprepared or not quite smart enough for the job. Turning up to a TV show without adequate information is like going to war without a gun. It shows poor planning and it comes across a lot when you listen to her.
I couldn't care less if you were a transvestite, gay, black, immigrant, if you sound like you convincingly know what it is your planning to do with a authoritive tone then I would feel some confidence in you.

Any sensible person would agree with you, but we're in a time of identity politics where minority victim status is power.

 

[LOAM]

Nice little link to see what party lines with your views:

https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

Im 63% conservative, so will be voting for them as usual, although there are a lot of things I'm not happy about and don't particularly like May......the thought of a socialist Labour party with Corbyn at the helm in charge of the country genuinely scares me.

I'm 88% Labour and 87% Lib Dems. I am voting Labour this time.

Cons were low 40%

 

[wildman]

But parliament passed it anyway so what was the point?

the point is called due process, ensuring that correct political scrutingy and proper parliamentary procedure is followed to prevent power crazed leaders going all chairman Mao or Adolf Hitler on the population

 

[Greebo]

But parliament passed it anyway so what was the point?

So why do you think May going to the supreme court was defending democracy?

 

[dalehitchy1]

unfortunately only with hindsight.

I have to wait for people to realise in hindsight. Great. Waiting to loose my rights ao I can fight for them again later because people were too stupid to realise human rights are a good thing.

I'm no extreme tree hugging peace loving liberal.... But I will never ever understand why people vote for a party that wants their privacy, human rights and workers rights taken away from them.

I understand people want brexit and the populace is angry. It just seems like its brexit at all costs so must vote for May and they don't care if we have nothing at the end of it.....

This was a discussion that I have with my dad the other day. He's voted brexit and is voting tories even though he know the things may wants to bring in will screw him over big time... He recently went from an umbrella company (look it up) to self employed as the government stopped people claiming expenses (so went to minimum wage). They govt have plans for limited companies and other things that screw him over in that area too.

He even said I love labours manifesto... But 'i want brexit and don't care if everything else will be worse. Voting tories.

I'm concerned about people like this. They would probably allow 10 year olds working in factories for 12 hours a day and allow the poor to die.... As long as they get their brexit

 

[awaybreaktoday]

slippery ....

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/872075827575492609

That report was leaked online this morning but then was quickly taken down, even google cache no longer picks it up..... it was very damming about the Saudis and what the government knows...........

 

[Nitefly]

On that test I'm 80%ish lib dems but it's going to have to be a tactical vote for labour.

As for Abbott, maybe her ill health was the reason for her poor performance... maybe not. Best wishes to get well and all but a 'convenient' move for the party.

 

[jimjamuk]

My daughter goes to private school, not because I'm rich but she has a talent and one of the best at something in this country. Luckily most of the fees are covered by the government otherwise she wouldn't be there and the only ones paying full fees are probably foreign students. Adding vat onto the fees is just stupid

Not all private schools are full of rich kids

 

[Greebo]

That report was leaked online this morning but then was quickly taken down, even google cache no longer picks it up..... it was very damming about the Saudis and what the government knows...........

Where's wikileaks when you need them

 

[wildman]

So why do you think May going to the supreme court was defending democracy?

it wasn't, she was going to court in an attempt to subvert democracy and have herself elevated into a dictatoresque figure in order to do the biding of her party under the thinly veiled lie of it being the will of the people. If you flat out asked the people if they would be happy for one person and their party to go unchecked and make what ever decisions aligned with their party "vision", I would guarantee the answer would be no, even from the hardest of rightwingers. Subverting due process and parliamentary scrutiny is the first step down the Adolf Highway.

 

[VincentHanna]

Not all private schools are full of rich kids

Most are though.

If you get subsidised by the Government, do you know if a Labour victory will change anything?

 

[GizF1]

So why do you think May going to the supreme court was defending democracy?

Because the majority voted to leave the EU and all the court cases were delaying the inevitable

If the actual reason was to try and set a precedent of the PM being able to make any decision they wanted then of course that would be terrible and against everything this country should stand for but I'll be honest I just can't see it. I think the goverment thought they had a mandate from the majority and wanted to act on it asap

I'm listening though

At the moment I am swayed conservative because I prefer how they manage the economy - on other issues I am probably more labour to be honest

 

[Greebo]

My daughter goes to private school, not because I'm rich but she has a talent and one of the best at something in this country. Luckily most of the fees are covered by the government otherwise she wouldn't be there and the only ones paying full fees are probably foreign students. Adding vat onto the fees is just stupid

Not all private schools are full of rich kids

That is true and I won a bursary to attend the school I did and there were a few other pupils who were poor but gifted on bursaries and scholarships. But they were the expection. In my year there were only two bursaries available for the 120 pupils entering that year. So 118 would be paying full fees and only two or three were foreigners.

 

[Uther]

That report was leaked online this morning but then was quickly taken down, even google cache no longer picks it up..... it was very damming about the Saudis and what the government knows...........

The way the Cons shut down anything about them and the Saudis is damning.Look at Amber Rudds reaction the other night when someone mentioned it...

 

[wildman]

The way the Cons shut down anything about them and the Saudis is damning.Look at Amber Rudds reaction the other night when someone mentioned it...

she went full retard and got it shutdown. The first rule of politics is never go full retard unless you have something to hide.....................

 

[Glaucus]

Most are though.

it doesn't matter though, education is the single most important aspect. Without education the country cant thrive. And private schools do extremely well and provide far better future for their students and for the country. Rather than bringing them down to normal schools, we should be trying to boost normal schools upto their level. In other words it's a terrible policy.

one thing in my laymens opinion that massive helps private schools is life lessons, boost confidence having interactions. These don't have to be expensive like they do at private schools, i'm sure this could be included in to the curriculum for a fraction of the cost.

 

[Ayahuasca]

My daughter goes to private school, not because I'm rich but she has a talent and one of the best at something in this country. Luckily most of the fees are covered by the government otherwise she wouldn't be there and the only ones paying full fees are probably foreign students. Adding vat onto the fees is just stupid

Not all private schools are full of rich kids

That's all well and good and I'm pleased to hear your daughter is doing very well, but realistically how many people's children have a talent that very few are capable of in the country so get subsidised to attend a private school?

 

[ubersonic]

Education is one of the most fundamental needs we as a society have. You should not be arguing to add further barriers to that.

Nobody is arguing to add barriers to that, everyone is entitled to a free education from the state.

Making rich people pay sales tax on the fees for their children's premium school is just common sense.

 

[Greebo]

Because the majority voted to leave the EU and all the court cases were delaying the inevitable

If the actual reason was to try and set a precedent of the PM being able to make any decision they wanted then of course that would be terrible and against everything this country should stand for but I'll be honest I just can't see it. I think the goverment thought they had a mandate from the majority and wanted to act on it asap

I'm listening though

At the moment I am swayed conservative because I prefer how they manage the economy - on other issues I am probably more labour to be honest

You have stated it already. The actual reason was to try and bypass democracy. It seemed a worthwhile thing to try and do as they and the gutter press could dress it up that the case was trying to reverse the Brexit vote. If the govt had one it would then make it much easier to pass laws without parliaments approval/input.

It was basically a power grab that failed thank god.