Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

[dowie]

Says the man with 25,000 posts.

I'm not a Tory voter...

oh and you're still avoiding my question re: their care plans... why is that?

 

[Stumble Bum]

Just listened to Corbyns complete fail today on child care. Wow. It just goes to prove that all Labour do is promise the Earth. They've promised so much that they can't even remember the basic figures of how much all these blind promises will cost.

 

[Uther]

He's dragged Labour back to the 1970s, that's a major reason why his own MPs can't even get behind him. If he can't even rally his own party then how can voters have faith in him? His car crash interview today tells you he isn't a leader, he shouldn't be anywhere near the top job in Labour and come a month from now I doubt he will be.

You say this yet he seems to have huge support. Is this because he is a good leader, or because most people consider May to be abhorrent?

 

[MissChief]

Well we've tried austerity for 7 years so far and I would say it hasn't really worked.

Has the deficit been cut?

How so?

The deficit is going down, according to the IFS, we're in line to meet a surplus on day to day by 2020 (1st time since 2000) Labour will take a year longer, but only if they don't borrow to nationalise everything. Plus there a large holes in their manifesto...:/

Deficet is a symptom of debt, yes deficet has been reduced but debt is still going through the roof.

It's like saving the sofa and being proud of yourself despite the house still burning down around you.

Debt/Defecit, whatever you want to call it has been MASSIVELY increased by the Tory party. Strong and Stable? I think not. And this is while cutting services left, right and centre!

 

[Uther]

Just listened to Corbyns complete fail today on child care. Wow. It just goes to prove that all Labour do is promise the Earth. They've promised so much that they can't even remember the basic figures of how much all these blind promises will cost.

Whereas May would have just said 'sorry we don't actually have a clue how much things are going to cost because we haven't made it up yet'

 

[Trusty]

Exactly this, the amount of **** I've seen on social media over the past weeks bleating on about how the Tories have increased debt is mindblowing. Of course they have, the country has been running at a deficit for almost 2 decades!!!! That's how you get into debt unless you cut back or put everything you have on black.

The Tories are always on to a hiding with people calling them "evil", so they should have just cut everything even harder and even faster. At least then they could have cleared the deficit and claimed that as an undeniable success.

Yep, but unfortunately the cycle will continue, the Tories will be voted out, Labour will blow the surplus and the Tories will be voted back in to clean the mess up. It's quite clever from Labour actually...

 

[Trusty]

Debt/Defecit, whatever you want to call it has been MASSIVELY increased by the Tory party. Strong and Stable? I think not. And this is while cutting services left, right and centre!

Jesus, again, forgetting about the recession are we? What about the IFS saying day to day will hit surplus in 2020, are they telling porkies as well?

 

[VincentHanna]

why exactly do you think that property as an asset should be exempt vs say cash or investments?

edit - added missing word 'non' to residential care...

It's duplicitous. The Tories have always been the party of aspiration, owning a home. People have made lots of money on houses (unfairly some might say) and there's already an inheritance tax in place. Now they want to change the rules and make a grab for the only thing (bricks and mortar) that has made consistent money year after year.

They've taken their pensioners for granted this time.

 

[Fubsy]

Debt/Defecit, whatever you want to call it has been MASSIVELY increased by the Tory party. Strong and Stable? I think not. And this is while cutting services left, right and centre!

There isn't a facepalm big enough

Debt/deficit?! THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS!!!!

Debt rises fast when the deficit is high, and slows when the deficit is low. That is clearly evident in your graph. Once the deficit is eliminated, and have a surplus (and ONLY then) that bar will start to fall.

How hard is it for people to understand this? It's almost as bad as the people that think as soon as you enter the 45% tax bracket you pay 45% on everything you earn.

EDIT: I understand there are arguments to investing your way out of debt, but I personally believe that is risky and would involve an insane amount of growth/immigration and is unlikely to be sustainable over generations.

 

[Trusty]

Whereas May would have just said 'sorry we don't actually have a clue how much things are going to cost because we haven't made it up yet'

We know exactly what we're getting from the Tories, they are continuing the course we're on.

 

[RDM]

Debt/Defecit, whatever you want to call it has been MASSIVELY increased by the Tory party. Strong and Stable? I think not. And this is while cutting services left, right and centre!

Debt and deficit are two different things, one has been reduced massively.

 

[VincentHanna]

Just listened to Corbyns complete fail today on child care. Wow. It just goes to prove that all Labour do is promise the Earth. They've promised so much that they can't even remember the basic figures of how much all these blind promises will cost.

As long as it's been costed in their manifesto, does it really matter if he couldn't remember the exact figure?

 

[VincentHanna]

We know exactly what we're getting from the Tories, they are continuing the course we're on.

Yep, cuts to schools in real terms, a failing NHS, 20,000 less police on the street.

Yay.

Oh and yummy gruel for breakfast at 7p per pupil.

 

[Uriel]

My vote is heavily based on my location. I dislike all the main political parties (I think I view political party allegiance along similar lines to how Richard Dawkins views adherence to religion) but disagree most strongly with UKIP, followed by the Tories.

I will be voting Labour, purely on the grounds that it's the option most likely to keep the Tory candidate out in my area. If I lived elsewhere, someone else might get my vote, but in no way would I see this as being a 2nd choice candidate. The lib-dems almost joined my voting blacklist after their entry into coalition but I don't think they'll make that mistake again.

As long as it's been costed in their manifesto, does it really matter if he couldn't remember the exact figure?

And this all day. I don't give a monkeys whether a candidate can remember the figures. This is about running the country - not a specialist pub quiz on policy detail.

 

[Raikiri]

We know exactly what we're getting from the Tories, they are continuing the course we're on.

Which is exactly why a lot of people won't vote for them.

 

[Trusty]

Yep, cuts to schools in real terms, a failing NHS, 20,000 less police on the street.

Yay.

Oh and yummy gruel for breakfast at 7p per pupil.

The size of the state needs to be reduced, do you not get were on a collision course to be an economy like Italy?

 

[Trusty]

Which is exactly why a lot of people won't vote for them.

Yay, 10 years time, we'll be proper *****. Especially if they borrow to nationalise everything, good god!

 

[StriderX]

Lets not forget this lovely study.

https://www.rsm.ac.uk/about-us/medi...n-2015-to-cuts-in-health-and-social-care.aspx

Researchers exploring why there has been a substantial increase in mortality in England and Wales in 2015 conclude that failures in the health and social care system linked to disinvestment are likely to be the main cause.

There were 30,000 excess deaths in 2015, representing the largest increase in deaths in the post-war period. The excess deaths, which included a large spike in January that year, were largely in the older population who are most dependent on health and social care.

If the Tories would actually be... legitimately conservative and focused on the economy rather than ruining it or wasting time with pointless platitudes, perhaps they wouldn't have seemed like a bad idea, but all they've done is hurt people for zero gain in the private sector.

 

[dowie]

It's duplicitous. The Tories have always been the party of aspiration, owning a home. People have made lots of money on houses (unfairly some might say) and there's already an inheritance tax in place. Now they want to change the rules and make a grab for the only thing (bricks and mortar) that has made consistent money year after year.

They've taken their pensioners for granted this time.

that doesn't really answer the question - what is so special about property vs other assets given it is only taken after death?

Are you OK with the status quo of a 23k limit?

 

[Stumble Bum]

As long as it's been costed in their manifesto, does it really matter if he couldn't remember the exact figure?

The point is they make it all up to try and win seats by promising everything to everyone. It wreaks of desperation. The antithesis of this is the Conservatives. Whether you like them or not they clearly approach the general election with a realistic approach that difficult decisions do have to be made and not all of them will be popular.

I'm sure we all wish we had Labour's money trees, but it is like living in la la land.