Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II
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Well yeah, but the polls arent really showing it too much, it doesnt matter anyway, votes and seats are difficult to calculate... we'll see on the day and not one second sooner.
Where I am, yes.
Our incumbent Tory MP has managed to gran the attention of local people for all the wrong reasons, this election has come at a good time for us.
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Just cast my vote and, yikes, that is a swing compared to the earlier poll.
Will be interesting if the real GE reflects even half of that, very real chance it could go to a hung parliament.
Will be interesting if the real GE reflects even half of that, very real chance it could go to a hung parliament.
This should help swing the polls back the right way - no wonder that slimy labour toad wouldnt answer whether they would cut immigration lol...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...orbyns-leaked-plan-allow-thousands-unskilled/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...orbyns-leaked-plan-allow-thousands-unskilled/
The Tories have set targets which have been comprehensively missed for several years anyway. A target and a limit won't work. And if you believe those that hire seasonal workers, thousands of British people won't do them. They seem adverse to manual labour jobs, thinking them beneath them.
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This poll or actual vote (I.e. postal)?
The official polls are still showing Conservatives will dominate this election. Betting odds are also suggesting this.
A leaked Labour plan that only the Torygraph has seen? Sounds plausible...
Soldato
The Tories won't be cutting immigration, they need a cheap workforce.
Hmmm exactly the same plan the Tories plan to do then? Or did you not realise that?
I don't believe Brits are averse to doing those jobs, if the wages were realistic. Heck, I see Brits doing hard, low-paying jobs all over the place down here in Cornwall. We have lot of those jobs down here.
I do believe that firms know they can treat immigrant workers in a way that Brits would baulk at... refusing them their rights, forcing them work in unsafe environments, forced unpaid overtime... I know a few firms round here that have a reputation for being appalling employers - really, really abusive. The churn in these places is phenomenal. But they know there are always desperate people here to replace the outgoing staff.
The trend as I see it is that Brits are accustomed to safe working conditions, are asking for realistic wages relative to the area they live in. Immigrants are happier it seems to live five to small bedroom - we see now in certain parts of the country unscrupulous landlords putting 10+ tenants in a 3 bedroom house...
Yes I think there are situations that Brits won't accept. I don't think it's down to "aversion to hard work", but a combination of factors. We aren't used to working in unsafe workplaces for pennies; eastern Europeans probably are.
Meanwhile, our current foreign secretary is insulting Sikhs by talking about whisky whilst touring a temple.
Even Emily Thornberry is an upgrade on BoJo.
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Theresa May heckled and laughed at by debate audience over collapse of her manifesto
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@MissChief again.
Take the example of European truckers, as highlighted recently in the news. The hauliers are expecting these people to live in their cabs now. They are setting up companies in the lowest-paying European countries and paying these truckers those rates of pay, which are less than UK NMW.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39196056
In short, this is exploitation. And yet desperate eastern Europeans *will* take these jobs. A Brit would not. Not because he thinks the work is beneath him, but because he doesn't care to be treated in this way.
Take the example of European truckers, as highlighted recently in the news. The hauliers are expecting these people to live in their cabs now. They are setting up companies in the lowest-paying European countries and paying these truckers those rates of pay, which are less than UK NMW.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39196056
In short, this is exploitation. And yet desperate eastern Europeans *will* take these jobs. A Brit would not. Not because he thinks the work is beneath him, but because he doesn't care to be treated in this way.
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Most of the target demographic will probably be watching it on repeat before realising that the polls have closed and they forget to vote.
People waking upto the realities of the Tories maybe but only as far as a knee jerk reaction to jump to the next alternative sadly rather than really think about it.
So under current rule you don't need a visa but under our proposals you would need a visa.
Sounds like controlled immigration to me.
No Tory cabinet minister answered where they think migrant workers can/should be cut from when the Standard asked them.
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Only the conservative voters read the torygraph
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