That is the sort of thing they do.
You cant trust what you read in the media about this stuff, because they dont know and often fill in the gaps themselves.
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That is the sort of thing they do.
You cant trust what you read in the media about this stuff, because they dont know and often fill in the gaps themselves.
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Latest news. Russian jets observing Royal Navy Vessel in Syria.
What're they both doing in the area and under whose orders in the first place?
And China, Russia and NATO say they don't want a war..
What're they both doing in the area and under whose orders in the first place?
And China, Russia and NATO say they don't want a war..
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Anyone printing documents in 2021 should have a good talking to.
You'll be surprised. I see lockers full of the pink paper wherever I go
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You'll be surprised. I see lockers full of the pink paper wherever I go
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It is a distinct possibility. They'd be daft to ignore that fact.
Also, if it's "within the first couple of pages of the document" it's already too far in. Someone who doesn't want to get involved doesn't read any of it - they see that it's a classified document and find someone to give the problem to.
If that bus stop material is actually legitimate. Oh dear God. Everyone needs to be fired who handles that paperwork.
P.S
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57624942
So according to the BBC they are actually legitimate...
P.S
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57624942
So according to the BBC they are actually legitimate...
Well who wants to deal with un-predictable Russians in their essentially backyard? I mean if I was forced into fire gear and I heard russian over radio saying they will fire on my ship - I would be worried too.
When was last time a British ship came under full blown attack? Falklands? The crew is clearly not used to this
Clearly forgot to tell the guys on the ground to be prepared for this then…
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Yet we are told we have the best trained armed forces who would down those pesky Russian neanderthals at a rate of 20-1
What footage are people watching? what I've seen the odd person has been a bit jittery but the main core of crew was fully functional and running it by the numbers to drill.
Academically it would be interesting to see the outcome - those Type 45s if properly equipped and competently crewed have vast ability to jam, evade and hard kill ballistic threats in large numbers - can deal with at least 30 anti-ship missiles in a swarm* (plus whatever CIWS manages - which is a bit contentious) has home-on-jam defeats and ability to disrupt command designation of peeking missile swarms. An attacker is likely going to have to accept significant losses to take one out as you need to be able to designate it as a target to hit it. The bigger vulnerability is likely going to be to submarines/torpedoes in a situation like that as any ASW heli is going to be extremely vulnerable in the air both from hostile action and potentially even friendly countermeasures.
Obviously reality generally isn't like the movies or top trumps stats wise but down to the actual efficiency of the hardware and competency of the people using it and things like acquiring and tracking a target doesn't work like it does in games or movies.
* Even if 100s are launched against it, not all of them are going to be actual on target threats and the Type 45 can track and prioritise those.
Academically it would be interesting to see the outcome - those Type 45s if properly equipped and competently crewed have vast ability to jam, evade and hard kill ballistic threats in large numbers - can deal with at least 30 anti-ship missiles in a swarm* (plus whatever CIWS manages - which is a bit contentious) has home-on-jam defeats and ability to disrupt command designation of peeking missile swarms. An attacker is likely going to have to accept significant losses to take one out as you need to be able to designate it as a target to hit it. The bigger vulnerability is likely going to be to submarines/torpedoes in a situation like that as any ASW heli is going to be extremely vulnerable in the air both from hostile action and potentially even friendly countermeasures.
Obviously reality generally isn't like the movies or top trumps stats wise but down to the actual efficiency of the hardware and competency of the people using it and things like acquiring and tracking a target doesn't work like it does in games or movies.
* Even if 100s are launched against it, not all of them are going to be actual on target threats and the Type 45 can track and prioritise those.
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Good luck tracking those Kinzhal's.
I would haclve thought that any army would use combined armed forces snd simply use a torpedo as you mention and just do the job.
The Russians have seen a lot of active operations in Ukraine and Syria lately. I wouldn't underestimate their readiness.
Tracking them isn't the issue - assuming latest updates - HMS Dragon did an exercise just a month ago to demonstrate the ability including tracking short range launches, even sea-skimming at Mach 3 and long range missiles up to Mach 16.
In theory you'd have stuff like an Astute class backing up the Type 45 but not sure they were doing that in the Black Sea :s
Again there's these weird guys posting on UK forums with the intent of deriding their own country and armed forces. Go do some basic research about how ******* outrageous a Type-45 Destroyer actually is, Russians may as well be flying Spitfires in comparison to the ship that sailed past Ukraine, their technology is from several generations ago.
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Are you saying that while sailing off the coast of crimea the Russians who were within visual range of the type 45 wouldn't habe been able to sink it within 10 minutes of combat?
Type-45 will jam shoot down everything within about 200 miles (they will jam guidence, targeting systems and all sorts. During training they dont use it as no one can do anything when its active). They arent so much for ship-to-ship. They are pretty vulnerable to subs as well I think. They are designed to escort carriers as part of a fleet.
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We aren't at war with Russia. We were conducting an operation to show we can and will sail through territory that Russia claims to belong to them. Do you have an actual point except to deride your own armed forces?
I think the crew would have had every right to be nervous. Sure, in open warfare out at sea that ship would have made mincemeat of those coast guard ships. It could easily deal with anything they can dish out while keeping them at arms length.
But it wasn't open warfare. Had those ships opened up at what was essentially point blank range without warning there would be nothing they could do except hope to get some shots off before they go down. Russian kit might be old but it'll still make a big hole in your face if you get sucker punched.
There's no scenario where any of that matters. Again you're proving my point by not understanding, possibly deliberately, the actual remit of the UK military. Just FYI, Russia doesn't have many people like you, most of them are proud of their country and support it, which is the more worrying thing for the UK.
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