Potentially kicking off in Russia

StriderX said:
Roar87 how many of these 'outrageous' ships do we have? Now how many missiles, torpedoes and tactical nukes does Russia have? Who is more able to scale-up production if needed?
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Russia needs those numbers because they have a WAY bigger area to defend. You could almost sneak an entire army in to remote parts of Russia un-noticed.

Russia had these kind of numbers in the WW2 era and look what happened. During the "winter war" with Finland 1 sniper killed something like 700 Russian soldiers, because as an attacking force they all got funneled through bottlenecks and picked off.
 
I'm just noting the massive cost disparity involved, we only have six of these things and it's not like they're inexpensive or quick to manufacture.

Especially so when we're on the other side of the planet dealing with American foreign policy.
 
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StriderX said:
I'm just noting the massive cost disparity involved, we only have six of these things and it's not like they're inexpensive or quick to manufacture.

Especially so when we're on the other side of the planet dealing with American foreign policy.
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Do you want me to explain why? Is this a genuine question?
 
this popped up in my feed yesterday:

Interesting cuts and editing.

I see in the comments:
3:03 threat that if British warship doesn’t change course to starboard Russians will give fire. 3:50 British ship apparently changes course, radar shows straight course. 5:20 Russians give fire several miles to stern. Conclusion 3:50 Russian ship must be crossing stern, to give appearance of British compliance, therefore no tea was spilt.
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I did not see any jets bombing, and you do hear them after all the posturing it cuts, then they warn all vessels in the area, then do fire but not in the path of the destroyer.. And I think there is some misrepresentation of the positions/paths possibly as per the comments since it does seem to be edited to make it look like the destroyer got chased off..
 
This whole circle jerking over Type 45 is really a something. Yes its a great ship and even greater when its combined in a task force with an air carrier. Thats the whole point of it. It being alone, that close to hostile territory - should things kick off, it would be downed in under half hour.

Russians know that this ship has a very strong anti ballistic and aircraft properties. I can assure you, there were multiple subs following it. There is not a lot Defender can do against a torpedo. The aircraft etc is for show, you can show subs unless surfaced which is extremely dumb.
 
Having lived through almost the entirety of the cold war, b.1952, I can't remember a time when the Russians were never about to kick off. They have always played catch up with western technology though.
 
Enkore said:
This whole circle jerking over Type 45 is really a something. Yes its a great ship and even greater when its combined in a task force with an air carrier. Thats the whole point of it. It being alone, that close to hostile territory - should things kick off, it would be downed in under half hour.

Russians know that this ship has a very strong anti ballistic and aircraft properties. I can assure you, there were multiple subs following it. There is not a lot Defender can do against a torpedo. The aircraft etc is for show, you can show subs unless surfaced which is extremely dumb.
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They are a lot more capable however than you generally allow especially with the newer software and unlikely a lot of military hardware when properly equipped and manned can live up to its headline capabilities. Bigger problem in that regard is as above once its missiles are fired it is done.

While on the flip side a lot of next-generation hyped up anti-ship missiles so far aren't living up to the on paper performance.

EDIT: Though they are not a ship designed to be operating alone like that and do have huge weaknesses to non-airborne threats - as you said they are designed to give primary air defence to a fleet.
 
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Hagar said:
Having lived through almost the entirety of the cold war, b.1952, I can't remember a time when the Russians were never about to kick off. They have always played catch up with western technology though.
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The USSR was ahead during the early stages of the space race and they pushed phage therapy much harder than we did, though that was due to falling behind in antibiotics.

They were still a scientific powerhouse until the whole thing collapsed, bit sad really.
 
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StriderX said:
The USSR was ahead during the early stages of the space race and they pushed phage therapy much harder than we did, though that was due to falling behind in antibiotics.

They were still a scientific powerhouse until the whole thing collapsed, bit sad really.
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I mean they were always the older, reliable tech in mass numbers kind of country. They have their breakthroughs here and there but not as often for sure. Latest thing that made me go What? Is Russians figuring out how to fill lungs with fluid and be able to breath through it. Basically like that james cameron movie. That felt like it came out of nowhere.
 
Rroff said:
They are a lot more capable however than you generally allow especially with the newer software and unlikely a lot of military hardware when properly equipped and manned can live up to its headline capabilities. Bigger problem in that regard is as above once its missiles are fired it is done.

While on the flip side a lot of next-generation hyped up anti-ship missiles so far aren't living up to the on paper performance.

EDIT: Though they are not a ship designed to be operating alone like that and do have huge weaknesses to non-airborne threats - as you said they are designed to give primary air defence to a fleet.
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There is a reason why US navy and command wont sail a Nimitz or Gerarld Aircraft Carriers next to lets say Crimea because they know its daft. They operate in huge strike groups with layered protection extending multiple clicks. The reality is, the whole defender move was a shaking a willy basically trying to pretend its bigger than it is. You wont catch a US carrier operating alone, sailing past Crimea, because Americans are not daft and neither they have an inferiority complex about their willy. Everyone knows American military's willy is a foot long and there is really no need to shake it about for show to prove something - endangering the said prized willy for this show.
 
Enkore said:
There is a reason why US navy and command wont sail a Nimitz or Gerarld Aircraft Carriers next to lets say Crimea because they know its daft. They operate in huge strike groups with layered protection extending multiple clicks. The reality is, the whole defender move was a shaking a willy basically trying to pretend its bigger than it is. You wont catch a US carrier operating alone, sailing past Crimea, because Americans are not daft and neither they have an inferiority complex about their willy. Everyone knows American military's willy is a foot long and there is really no need to shake it about for show to prove something - endangering the said prized willy for this show.
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I'm not sure what you are trying to say there. There are complications with transiting Turkey and the US wouldn't want a CSG or even a single carrier positioned in the Black Sea with the potential bottlenecks for getting it out again so they aren't likely to be sailing one past Crimea anyway - they do now and again send in 2-3 ships detached from a CSG though and do similar things and it isn't the first time the UK has done it only this time it has hit the news in a much bigger way for some reason.

End of the day a carrier is harder to hide as a target compared to ships like these destroyers which supposedly have a profile smaller than a fishing vessel.

In all out combat I doubt I would bet on the side of the Russian Black Sea fleet + shore defences vs a US CSG though - those Kilos would be at the bottom almost before it even started.
 
Rroff said:
I'm not sure what you are trying to say there. There are complications with transiting Turkey and the US wouldn't want a CSG or even a single carrier positioned in the Black Sea with the potential bottlenecks for getting it out again so they aren't likely to be sailing one past Crimea anyway - they do now and again send in 2-3 ships detached from a CSG though and do similar things and it isn't the first time the UK has done it only this time it has hit the news in a much bigger way for some reason.

End of the day a carrier is harder to hide as a target compared to ships like these destroyers which supposedly have a profile smaller than a fishing vessel.

In all out combat I doubt I would bet on the side of the Russian Black Sea fleet + shore defences vs a US CSG though - those Kilos would be at the bottom almost before it even started.
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They would most likely end up nuking the area if they went against US CSG.

Out of helplessness.
 
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Enkore said:
There is a reason why US navy and command wont sail a Nimitz or Gerarld Aircraft Carriers next to lets say Crimea because they know its daft. They operate in huge strike groups with layered protection extending multiple clicks. The reality is, the whole defender move was a shaking a willy basically trying to pretend its bigger than it is. You wont catch a US carrier operating alone, sailing past Crimea, because Americans are not daft and neither they have an inferiority complex about their willy. Everyone knows American military's willy is a foot long and there is really no need to shake it about for show to prove something - endangering the said prized willy for this show.
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And yet they do just that in the South China / black sea, maybe research huh?
https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/N...m-of-navigation-operation-in-south-china-sea/
Wow look, they are doing something you claim they do not, shock horror.
It's about showing your allies you are on their side and that someone can't decide to annex and call the waters theirs.

Why willy wave with a destroyer when you have boomers? They already know we have a willy big enough to slap them into the stone ages .
 
StriderX said:
I'm just noting the massive cost disparity involved, we only have six of these things and it's not like they're inexpensive or quick to manufacture.

Especially so when we're on the other side of the planet dealing with American foreign policy.
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You get what you pay for and they are very good in their role. They are the best anti-air platform in the world right now.
 
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