Power to Mick Lynch

Semple said:
There seems to be a pretty heavy demand for flights right now, a lot of which are being cancelled due to staff shortages.
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Supply and demand works both ways, maybe if the salary was higher you would get the crew? Just for completeness it's not just a shortage of cabin crew.
 
Semple said:
This is the problem, having such increases across the whole public sector is likely to be unaffordable, and the only way it'll be funded is by taking more from the taxpayer - of which more than three-quarters are private workers, and will certainly not see their pay increase anywhere near those amounts.
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Wrong. Average wage increases in the private sector is 8% this year. pensioners and benefits are getting 10%. The only people not getting big pay rises are the public sector workers who many have had a pay freeze for the last two years and prior to that a decade of sub inflation payrises where we are in the situation that public sector workers like teachers are being paid 20% less in real terms than 12 years ago.

Would you work for 20% less than 12 years ago?
 
Semple said:
Whilst I've not fully read into these 8% increases, it does seem to mention that these are most likely due to bonuses - which tend to be one-off payments as opposed to a permanent wage increase.

That seems to be quite a popular approach for companies - was it just yesterday that Rolls-Royce were giving their staff a 2k "cost of living" bonus.
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So why not offer the rail staff 3% and a £2k bonus each then so it equates to 8%?
 
Greebo said:
You do realise if inflation is 10% for this year and then drops back to 2% next year, goods dont go back to what they cost before this year? They will always be 10% more expensive. So you need that payrise to be in the same ball park.
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This is what I don’t quite understand. Why? Inflation in a number of areas is entirely tied to the Ukraine conflict and the tail end of covid. If Russia backed out of Ukraine tomorrow, grain flooded the markets and energy prices returned to a more normal price, why wouldn’t the price of goods reduce massively.
 
Semple said:
That's a fair comment, so why are flight attendants only paid an average of £20,476, significantly lower than what would be perceived to be an equivalent role in the rail industry.
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Glamour.... Its more sexy to fly to Glasgow instead of getting the 4:32 from Houston. Simple as that.
 
Semple said:
Why should Rail workers be so special? Anyone who's not had an 11% pay rise this year has essentially had a pay cut - which also includes private sector who are supposedly sat on 8% increase.

If they bump everyone's pay up 11%, we'll be in the exact same position now, as things like food, materials, services, rents go up to accommodate the increased costs of the workforce.
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I didn't say they were special? & yes everyone is getting shafted, however typically the lot in charge will do everything they can to give you the bare minimum possible. Let's see what happens, it's very likely (imo) that workers would accept less than 11%, so accepting a paycut, imo this is very reasonable.
 
Richie said:
That is a huge gulf however it's not always the case with public sector increases out-performing private sector at times:
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Sure, it does fluctuate but the difference has rarely been so stark and Private sector pay growth has been consistently outpacing Public since around 2012, where the Public sector has been below inflation. So they have been feeling the wage squeeze more for the last decade and in the current climate of inflation at 9% and rising it's unrealistic to expect them to accept 1-2% increases imo.

This is from ONS figures up to about 2018

Pay in the public sector has risen by an average of 1.1% per year since April 2011, below private sector pay (2.1%) and inflation (1.9%), but above the 1% cap.
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From your source it shows the longer view as well
But if you take a longer term view, many workers in the public sector have had a difficult time.
The IFS says, for example, that pay levels for experienced teachers in 2021 are 8% lower once you adjust for rising prices than they were in 2007.
Average pay for NHS dentists fell by 32% between 2006−07 and 2017−18, and is estimated to have continued to fall since.
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It's no wonder they are currently feeling the pinch.

Richie said:
Also, pay is only one side of things when comparing monetary compensation. Pensions and job security tend to be better in the Public Sector compared to Private Sector


SOURCE
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That's true, it's never easy to make direct comparisons as jobs, skill/qualification levels and responsibilities are all different, as are different perks as shown in your source again

On the other hand, bonuses and overtime payments are much more significant in the private sector.
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But the whole argument about not paying X in the public sector more always seems to be a race to the bottom, instead of bringing the other lower paid workers (in the public and private sector) up we always seem to want to bring the public sector ones down!

I thought we were all about paying high wages to British workers nowadays, that was the whole point to the self inflicting damage of limiting the labour supply wasn't it? Obviously to a lot of people that only means to their pay/their sector :p (I'm not referring to you in that btw)
 
Not sure on the accuracy of Roars salary figures but seems these chaps get paid a huge whack for what they actually do. It makes measures like pay rise percentages less meaningful if they needed a pay correction anyway.
 
Semple said:
Why should Rail workers be so special? Anyone who's not had an 11% pay rise this year has essentially had a pay cut - which also includes private sector who are supposedly sat on 8% increase.

If they bump everyone's pay up 11%, we'll be in the exact same position now, as things like food, materials, services, rents go up to accommodate the increased costs of the workforce.
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Because before Thatcher and the Tory party decided to take 100 years + of struggle for fair pay for a fairs days work by the unions. The UK public has nothing to fight the money grabbing city folk apart from actions like this. The city have been creaming proffits of the UK workers for decades. It needs reset and to hell with the Tory scum who think it will only make things worse.... Same as what you have been doing for the past 10 years.

National strikes and reset the entire system !

VIVA LA REVOULTUION !!!!!
 
Semple said:
Do you think that's something they'd accept? Maybe you should go to the negotiating table :p
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We will never know as the Network Rail bosses have strict limits on how much they can go to. Hence the negotiations are doomed to failure and its going to be summer of strikes.

Problem is if they did offfer that and was accepted then teachers, nurses, firefighters, police etc would all want a £2k one off bonus as well plus 3%. Govt aint going to cough that up.
 
Semple said:
There seems to be a pretty heavy demand for flights right now, a lot of which are being cancelled due to staff shortages.
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I thought that was due to people calling in sick with COVID? Being an air steward/stewardess is seen as a glamorous job and many people love to live that jet setting life (I don't think the reality is quite like that, but the initial perception is there). So demand for jobs is high.
 
Steedie said:
Have to say, to me this Lynch guy comes across as a total ******** in virtually every interview I've seen with him. I don't know enough about the facts to say who's right and wrong. but what an absolute melt he is
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You see, I see the opposite. I see him as a refreshing change who just says things as they are and doesn't let any boy get away with silly word games or outright lies. Refreshing.
 
Greebo said:
You see, I see the opposite. I see him as a refreshing change who just says things as they are and doesn't let any boy get away with silly word games or outright lies. Refreshing.
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I agree, I see the opposite too. Calling out liars for what they are, upfront and honest. He's direct and gets to the point. In times where all we hear are waffling, lieing politicians who skirt around problems and give answers that don't even relate to questions asked, he's a.breath of fresh air getting some points across. Calls a liar a liar, straight up to their face on Tele. Respect.
 
It's blunt politics isn't it....wedge issues....no nuance....pub experts...economic illiteracy.

Regardless of "side" political discource is completely in the toilet in this country.
 
fez said:
This is what I don’t quite understand. Why? Inflation in a number of areas is entirely tied to the Ukraine conflict and the tail end of covid. If Russia backed out of Ukraine tomorrow, grain flooded the markets and energy prices returned to a more normal price, why wouldn’t the price of goods reduce massively.
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They are not as you assert "entirely tied to the Ukraine conflict and the tail end of covid". Futures market, Brexit, Currency movements (GBP devaluation) and so on...
 
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