PS4 and Xbox Rumours

yeah gamestop talking up sales already. id take anything they say with a boat load of salt, all they will be doing is talking up the investors and trying to improve there stock price as well as get pre orders in even more.
 
FoxEye said:
Does anyone think that price is realistic tho? I'd still put my money on it being £400 at least. Possibly up to £450 in rip off Britain.
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Yea it seems unlikely. £400 seems appropriately priced for the hardware but i can’t see Sony pricing it that high given they have stated they won’t make that same mistake again. I think the PS3 was £425 at launch so expecting/hoping for around the £350/375 mark.
 
Wow... I kinda love the fact that we just saw 2 industry people go at it like we sometimes do on these forums :D:D

Shows everyone is up for some trolling\Versus chatter

If it is "always on" I will still buy it, I cant live with the knowledge I'm limited with regards to console exclusives :D

But its a bad move Microsoft!! =\
 
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Shamikebab said:
I wouldn't be particularly bothered, my PC games are always online as well, that used to bother me but now? Not at all.
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Even if the following is also true?

"Unless something has changed recently," one of the sources told us over email, "Durango consumer units must have an active internet connection to be used."
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"If there isn't a connection, no games or apps can be started," the source continued. "If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time--currently three minutes, if I remember correctly--the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started."
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http://kotaku.com/the-next-xbox-will-require-an-internet-connection-to-st-470062456

Not even being able to start up games without an internet connection would be bad.
 
what does it actually mean though? does it mean you can no longer play single player games if you do not have the internet?

i can see this effecting people in certain circumstances, especially in poorer countries, like south america, africa, parts of asia, where internet may not be readily available.

what if you have to work away from home and are sent to another area for 2 weeks, etc, etc. or what if you travel a lot in your line of work and therefore don't always have internet.

i can see this being a bad thing, nothing imo should always need an internet connection to work, my tv has internet built in, but i can still use it for tv if i disconnect the internet for example. same goes for my phone or the vita as another example.

i think microsoft have implemented this in order to stop piracy, rather than employing hackers to make the system bulletproof
 
FoxEye said:
Does anyone think that price is realistic tho? I'd still put my money on it being £400 at least. Possibly up to £450 in rip off Britain.
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It wouldn't surprise me hugely. The Wii blew the 360 and PS3 out of the water at launch with its low price, and Sony and Microsoft can't afford to make the same mistake twice.

Sure, they'll miss out on some money from the early adopters, but the appeal will be an awful lot wider if it's in the £300 mark.

It sounds silly, but at that price it's also not competing with the iPad. I realise that there is a world of difference between a console and a tablet, but if people are going to get one "big" Christmas gift, and that's going to constitute a large share of the early market, they aren't going to want Apple breathing down their necks.

Business models have also changed dramatically since the PS3 was launched. Sony can now make a LOT of money through PSN, which on the launch of the PS3 was untested. It's a major revenue stream that can subsidise console costs for them.
 
I have no problem with a console benefiting from being always connected to the internet, that's a good thing IMO but if you can't even start up single player games without an internet connection then that's gone too far.
 
I hope all this info is false. If not I won't be getting one till they're going cheap. I'm not paying £350 or whatever for a console that I may not always be able to play when I want. I'll be getting the ps4 on release and it looks like it will be my main console, but I do hope they fetch out an adapter to use xbox controllers.
 
I guess we need to understand what it always on internet actually means before jumping to conclusions. It could work like Steam which after a while came more flexible for offline gaming, or it could just be as bad as the dreaded Ubisoft uPlay system :mad:.

I guess theres near-zero chance (cant see how MS would even think about this without that assurance) the authentication servers will gone down under demand like EA/Ubis has in the past, so with that assumption it does seem the biggest issue is on our end with our own internet connections (and thats not even considering speed, just quality of connection).

If I was an ISP Id be considering rolling out an internet plan that is targetted to gamers with business SLAs regards downtime, bet it would attract some that want to reduce the worst case scenerio of not being able to game due to their internet disconnecting. Might sound silly, but dont forget when the Xbox/PS2 internet services first came out ISPs were offering addons to their internet packages to provide additional (static) IP addresses and the like...

Really hard not to feel that its just another way to double-pay for just wanting to play games online, lets hope its not triple-pay with chargeable XBL, though surely the requirement to be 'always on' means they cant do that surely?!? That would be a real slap in the face...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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It would be the end for me also. I have a few months of stable internet and every few months I get a period of constant internet drops. To the point I had to make sure I have my DRM transferred all the time or my arcade games wouldn't play.

If you only needed it once to start playing I could get round it by teathering to my phone for initial start up. If a drop meant re-initialising all the time I can't be bothered. I currently save SP games for when my internet plays up. I also take a console to work quite often to play a SP game, that would be out too.

All they would do is drive me into the arms of their rival, over a trivial issue.
 
Without reading back over 28 pages, what's MSFT's justification for this? To stop people chipping games?

Is that even that big an issue any more? Not heard of anyone doing that for donkey's years.
 
I have a stable internet connection but out of principle; if the 720 has to be always on and the PS4 doesn't, I will just stick with the PS4 (I was intending to buy both). This is assuming both consoles are similar for gaming.

To be honest I've never been particularly fussed by either consoles exclusives but I'd say this generation I've played more Sony exclusives (just about).
 
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