PS4 and Xbox Rumours

ic1male said:
It's only that much if you buy the lower-priced console. Am I going mad here?
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when little jimmy's mum goes to the store and see's a console priced £200 cheaper, guess which one she is going to buy?

i take it you don't understand most people are clueless idiots who have done zero research when they go out and buy things.

theres many examples of it in the home cinema part of the forums where people are looking into buying £2K tv's when they could have gotten a bigger and better tv for £800.

chances are little jimmy's mum doesn't have a clue what the differences between them is going to be and the store will also have clueless idiots working it who won't be telling customers that the lower priced model has a higher subscription fee.

they should be making things simpler not more complicated. a lot of consoles purchased are by parents for their kids. these parents probably wouldnt know the difference between a ps4 and a ps3, never mind the complex pricing systems of the next xbox.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Cheers dude, as you said at face value it looks like they charge $14.99 for 'XBOX Live Gold' when its normally a $9.99 monthly charge :eek:. Guess someone could potentially interprete that as a potential $4.99 for XBL Gold on the next Xbox if the subsidy charge is rumoured to be $9.99. Though I doubt will we see that subscription model over here...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Hmmm

So MS planning to offer a subsidised nextbox

and planning to continue charging for XBL Gold
 
Craterloads said:
Hmmm

So MS planning to offer a subsidised nextbox

and planning to continue charging for XBL Gold
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XBL Gold is a massive cash cow for MS. They would have to be mad to give it up!

I personally don't play online games anymore, and in my three and a half years of owning a 360 have never used Gold, but I am in the vast minority.

I would be very surprised if Sony don't incorporate some kind of minimum paid subscription to access online gaming and other extras such as the touted games watching mode, and uploading videos.
 
I took the lower price as part of the gold subscription being paying off the remaining amount. Whether it is worth it though depends on prices for the nextbox gold subscription to work out how much extra you pay overall. Still constant online worries me ...
 
The rumors regarding Microsoft's next console continue to pop up around the internet, and today Polygon reports that sources have revealed new details.
As reported earlier, the company is supposedly changing the way games handle achievements, notably allowing developers to add them without adding DLC post launch. Polygon also reports that the next Xbox will allow players to have more than the 360's current cap of 100 friends, letting people follow one another without reciprocation a la Twitter.
Like the PS4 and its share functionality, the next xbox will also reportedly allow people to capture and share video via networks like Ustream and Facebook. The sources indicated that the console will apparently allow you to capture footage and select highlights, or set up parameters where it auto captures if specific events happen like achievements or headshots.
What will likely rile up a lot of the Internet, though, is that the site's sources also confirm that the system will feature always-on DRM. However, their sources indicate that this won't be a requirement for all games, but will be left up to the publisher as to whether or not they want to make it a feature or not
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So could be down to the devs to implement the online thing.
 
anticonscience said:
So could be down to the devs to implement the online thing.
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Similar thing applies to Sony and the PS4 and the whole blocking second hand games thread. Sony have never publicly confirmed anything, and said off the record that "they" won't block second hand games.

But sony took a patent out on technology to do this, just like MS. And sony never said anything about what their publishers would do.......

We'll have to wait for the full public reveal of the hardware and its specs before we know for certain exactly whats going on. That may not happen till later this year.
 
biron_w said:
I think it will be more a case of it needs to be connected to the internet at all times for users to have all the features available. Which is no different to the Xbox 360.
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This makes sense I doubt any entertainment device would deliberately alienate a large portion of it's user base like this,especially with a rival not doing it.Lets be sensible who would buy into it.As for the subscription thing work out the figures if the console cost £500 and live stays the same price the 2 years would cost £580.If the subscription based console costs £300 with £10 a month then you are looking at £540.The question is will they still continue to charge £10 for the cheaper console after the 2 year period.
 
aj casey said:
This makes sense I doubt any entertainment device would deliberately alienate a large portion of it's user base like this,especially with a rival not doing it.Lets be sensible who would buy into it.As for the subscription thing work out the figures if the console cost £500 and live stays the same price the 2 years would cost £580.If the subscription based console costs £300 with £10 a month then you are looking at £540.The question is will they still continue to charge £10 for the cheaper console after the 2 year period.
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that's because some idiot has converted dollars to pounds using the exchange rate.

just because it will be $15 in america, does not mean it will be £10 over here.

you will see it being £300 with a £15 per month charge.

its always a 1:1 ratio or thereabouts due to differences in tax systems, etc.

think about it, who wouldn't go for the cheaper, longer paying option, it's always more expensive to pay over a longer period of time.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Unless its billed with that subsidy mentioned, youd be on quite dodgy grounds over here. You are effectively overcharging a service over and above youre own RRP and thats before you look at the considerable discounts MS directly advertise.

If they bring over that pricing over here Id be very interested in looking at the T&Cs...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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It's no different to getting a mobile phone on contract here. Costs a lot more with a phone than as a sim only for effectively the same contracted minutes and data, and only tied in for the length of that contract - don't see a problem at all.

If you get an iphone you either pay £100 up front and a £35 contract, or you pay £500 up front and a £20 contract (not correct figures, but you get the idea)
 
MrLOL said:
Similar thing applies to Sony and the PS4 and the whole blocking second hand games thread. Sony have never publicly confirmed anything, and said off the record that "they" won't block second hand games.

But sony took a patent out on technology to do this, just like MS. And sony never said anything about what their publishers would do.......

We'll have to wait for the full public reveal of the hardware and its specs before we know for certain exactly whats going on. That may not happen till later this year.
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Indeed, I think some devs might well use a code to play single player much like they do now with multi player. Enter code, download the activation and away you go no need for internet other than the initial code entry. Off course they will sell these codes to anyone buying the game 2nd hand. That way they get a big slice of the 2nd hand market without killing it off which would probably hurt them more.
 
Additional details about PS4 revealed

It seems the PS4 SOC is a tad more complex than originally indicated:

http://techreport.com/news/24725/ps4-architect-discusses-console-custom-amd-processor

The new info we were given about the PS4 SOC:
1.)Has a dedicated audio unit.
2.)AddItional hardware for zlib decompression
3.)An additional system chip which can be used for background purposes,enabling the main CPU and GPU to be shut down.
4.)An additional bus for the GPU,which bypass its caches.
5.)Modified GPU L2 cache,which is better optimised for mixed compute and gaming workloads.
6.)The GPU is not straight GCN,and might be GCN2.0 and seem to be more compute enhanced. It might give us an idea of what to expect for the HD8000/HD9000 series.

This beyond what we know for Jaguar,which is not meant to be fully HSA enabled at the hardware level. The GPU also seems to have various features which enhance its compute ability.

The additional system chip is interesting.It could be a single Jaguar core,but I suspect it might be an ARM based core. If it is the latter it would make the CPU section a hybrid X86 and ARM based design.

It is Kaveri which is meant to be the first part AMD has mentioned which is actually fully HSA enabled at the hardware level. If anything if the PS4 SOC is confirmed as the first proper HSA enabled part,it is more complex than what was thought originally. It was never mentioned before that the PS4 was a HSA enabled part.
 
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