***Quest Pro Owners Club***
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This is recorded with a Panasonic DMC GX80.
As I mentioned in my OP, the higher PPI and pixels per degree really makes the difference in Clarity. It's like comparing a 55" 4K TV with a 32" 4K, the pixels are going to be smaller on the latter.
Yeah, it is pricey, at a reduced price of say £999 I'm sure many people would jump on it. But the technology on the HMD is why it has a premium.
I couldn't say, as I don't have a Quest 2 to do side by side comparisons.
As for the panels, they are very bright at max brightness, but in the screenshots in the OP, the Brightness was set to about 50%.
I have some more pictues to share on the distance, espeically in ACC. It's pretty clear looking into the distance, but then I am running VR Epic, View Distance Epic, DLSS Quality in the upcoming Pics. (The ones in the OP is VR Epic, View Distance High, DLSS Quality)
I am running all PCVR games with in the Oculus app at 90Hz 1.4x 4480x2256
In Steam VR, it is set to Auto for the resolution.
I couldn't say, all I know from owning a Quest 2 in the past, is the Quest Pro looks Amazing.
You always have a 14day return window, just pick a company to buy from that doesn't quibbly over the return. Main factor is how comfortable it feels, as everyones head is different...
FOV is a massive step up over the Quest 2, the closer you get to the lenses, the bigger the FOV. I will have an image to replicate as best I can the FOV in ACC to what I see with the headset on.
As I mentioned in my OP, it is not just about Resolution, but the PPI and pixels per degree makes the biggest difference.
It sure does! I was shocked, as I was convinced from owning a Quest 2 in the past, that USBC compression for PCVR sucks compared to DP. Quest Pro shows that is not really the case.
OP thanks for the summary, much appreciated.
Couple of questions:
- Do you suffer from lag spikes when playing PCVR via the USB-C cable connection? I had some of those with the Pico4 and found them MUCH more jarring and annoying than say a lag spike into my Rift S via DP connection
- I see that you have MS FS2020. Have you tried foveated rendering? My understanding is that it now works, and as your headset supports eye tracking, I assume that you can enable dynamic foveated rendering. If you've got it running, what kind of frame rate improvement did you get?
Couple of questions:
- Do you suffer from lag spikes when playing PCVR via the USB-C cable connection? I had some of those with the Pico4 and found them MUCH more jarring and annoying than say a lag spike into my Rift S via DP connection
- I see that you have MS FS2020. Have you tried foveated rendering? My understanding is that it now works, and as your headset supports eye tracking, I assume that you can enable dynamic foveated rendering. If you've got it running, what kind of frame rate improvement did you get?
Why you can't just go off a screenshot of what the quality of looking through the lenses of a VR HMD, or Monitor for that matter when using a camera.
Here's an extreme example looking at my LG C1 48" OLED. Now if my Monitor looked like this with my eyes, then It wouldn't be on my desk!
Notice how the camera can create artifacts that are not there? This is why it is important not to take what you see as face value.
Closer to how you see it with your Eyes.
And here in through the lenses of the Quest Pro, depending on how you angle you Camera, and how it focuses, will depend on how close it looks to what you really see.
(Out of focus off center, but showing SDE that really isn't there in the central point.)
Now for some closer to what you really see images below. All pictures are taken with an S21 Ultra, no enhancements, just what you see, is what it captured.
Using these settings in Oculus App;
VR Epic Settings, + View Distance set to EPIC, DLSS set to Quality.
The last image is with a wide angle 0.6 Zoom, to give you a look at the FOV and how much you see with the Quest Pro HMD on.
Here's an extreme example looking at my LG C1 48" OLED. Now if my Monitor looked like this with my eyes, then It wouldn't be on my desk!
Notice how the camera can create artifacts that are not there? This is why it is important not to take what you see as face value.
Closer to how you see it with your Eyes.
And here in through the lenses of the Quest Pro, depending on how you angle you Camera, and how it focuses, will depend on how close it looks to what you really see.
(Out of focus off center, but showing SDE that really isn't there in the central point.)
Now for some closer to what you really see images below. All pictures are taken with an S21 Ultra, no enhancements, just what you see, is what it captured.
Using these settings in Oculus App;
VR Epic Settings, + View Distance set to EPIC, DLSS set to Quality.
The last image is with a wide angle 0.6 Zoom, to give you a look at the FOV and how much you see with the Quest Pro HMD on.
I don't have that game for VR unfortunalty.
You're welcome.
No lag spikes that I can really notice, though the games I'm showing are Simulators, where you would be sat playing. Half-Life Alyx seemed very smooth even at max settings, but then I am running a 4090.
I haven't tries foveated rendering. TBH I didn't know it supported till you just made me aware.
For whatever reason, I'm having issuses where DLSS is not selectabe, yet DLSS Frame generation is, (But not supported in VR). This is with the latest update from the game store, Win 11 etc. DX12 enabled.
Going back to the foveated rendering, I will turn on the HMD eye tracking sensors, and see if I can get it to work, and will update you with my finding.
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@Mr_Sukebe So I installed OpenXR Tool Kit. As of right now you can only do Fixed foveated rendering, no eye tracking support for the Quest Pro yet.
I also found this post https://forums.flightsimulator.com/...cale-hand-tracking-release-thread/493924/2806
That said, there was performance improvement when you enable Fixed Foveated Rendering. Quality + Wide was about 10% increase in FPS.
OK, so lets max out every slider in Oculus and MSFS and see what the Quest Pro and 4090 can do...
And heres a good example of a bad image as it looks like you can't even read the FPS counter, and some may take that as what you see. (Which you don't!)
I also found this post https://forums.flightsimulator.com/...cale-hand-tracking-release-thread/493924/2806
That said, there was performance improvement when you enable Fixed Foveated Rendering. Quality + Wide was about 10% increase in FPS.
OK, so lets max out every slider in Oculus and MSFS and see what the Quest Pro and 4090 can do...
And heres a good example of a bad image as it looks like you can't even read the FPS counter, and some may take that as what you see. (Which you don't!)
In FS2020, I got DLSS running with DX11, might be worth a try. I found that DLSS with DLAA seemed to work really well.
One other question. Are you using the Oculus Tool? If so, what data rate are you running with?
One other question. Are you using the Oculus Tool? If so, what data rate are you running with?
I'll try in DX11 again, but every trick I've tried it doesn't show up. Only shows AMD FSR 2...
Fresh install, wiped drivers with DDU, reinstalled etc. you name it... Very weird, but there has been other people saying the same thing.
I've not adjusted Oculus Tool yet. What settings should I try? (Memory is blank from when I did this with the Quest 2 last year...)
DLSS is not showing up in MSFS at all, only AMD FSR 2 when you enable DX12. Reverting back to DX11, I still don't have that option.
I'm going to role back my Nvidia drivers to see if that is the issue.
ODT 500Mbps is the max permitted bit rate, so I kept it fixed at that.
I can see an improvement in image quality.
Setting as to my last post, but now with the above ODT settings.
This is image is to demonstrate the viewing distance clarity.
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tbh the through the lens shots look similar to what I see in a Vive Pro 2 but without the godrays & flair from the fresnel lenses so better yes but not by much imho.... possibly a larger sweet spot too though as you say that could be a camera lens vs human eye thing
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Quest Pro Horizontal FOV is 108° at 71mm IPD, at my 67mm IPD FOV is 104° from my testing.
I haven't owned one of those to compare it. But in the video that @ShiWarrior linked, there is a comment from someone who owns both.
The sweet spot on the Quest Pro is almost the entire lense, it is that clear.
One major factor to the Quest Pro, with or without the side blinkers, it doesn't steam up, and you don't feel hot wearing it.
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I have the Quest Pro and am upgrading from a Vive Pro 2 and Reverb G2. I have to say the Pro, despite being my seventh VR headset is the first one since the original Rift CV1 that has actually fully impressed me, and finally feels like a truly next generation device.
Despite having a relatively low resolution of 1800 x 1920 per eye, it makes my Vive Pro 2, with 2448 x 2448 per eye look like absolute trash. Now I should preface this by saying I have never liked the Vive Pro 2, I found its lack of binocular overlap, startling absence of depth perceptions and incorrect stereopsis along with the glare, godrays and tiny edge to edge clarity to make it the most disappointing headset I've ever bought, and the only one I've returned. So it's fair to say that for me, that headset didn't work out at all and your experience might be very different with a different head and eye shape, IDP etc.
But I think even allowing that some of my bad experience might just have been personal, there is something truly exceptional about the Quest Pro's lenses.
It is an order of magnitude more immersive for me as the whole entire display is clear and in focus, something I've never experienced in a headset before.
For me this is the biggest visual jump in clarity and quality that I've ever experienced between headsets so I've been a bit amazed at how relatively poorly received its been. It seems like most reviewers just reviewed it using Horizon Workrooms and standalone apps and didn't even test it as a PCVR headset, where for me it literally smokes everything else I've used.
It's easily the best PCVR gaming headset I've ever used, and I reckon on balance the best overall VR headset available right now.
For most gamers waiting for Quest 3 makes more sense though.
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Welcome to the forum @Kjaye767 - I am glad to read that you have experienced what I have with the Quest Pro. It is a great HMD for PCVR when you crank the resolution rendering up.
I think a lot of the usually VR YouTubers bashed on the Quest Pro due it's price point.
So their review negatively reflexed on that, especially when the Pico 4 just launched too.
What I have noticed in the comparisons of the likes of MRTV, they use Virtual Desktop and set the Pico 4 at God-Mode, and test the Quest Pro at it's 1x resolution render from the Oculus Desktop app.
Now if they set the Quest Pro to 1.7x render resolution, as to the maxed VD mode -God-Mode, the Quest Pro would trump the Pico 4 in picture quality and clarity. They didn't do that, and I feel they have manipulated their viewers in thinking the Pico 4 is superior.
Now to compare Apples to Apples, they should be using the native apps, which at current the Pico 4 looks like trash with the native PCVR HD render setting.
I think a lot of the usually VR YouTubers bashed on the Quest Pro due it's price point.
So their review negatively reflexed on that, especially when the Pico 4 just launched too.
What I have noticed in the comparisons of the likes of MRTV, they use Virtual Desktop and set the Pico 4 at God-Mode, and test the Quest Pro at it's 1x resolution render from the Oculus Desktop app.
Now if they set the Quest Pro to 1.7x render resolution, as to the maxed VD mode -God-Mode, the Quest Pro would trump the Pico 4 in picture quality and clarity. They didn't do that, and I feel they have manipulated their viewers in thinking the Pico 4 is superior.
Now to compare Apples to Apples, they should be using the native apps, which at current the Pico 4 looks like trash with the native PCVR HD render setting.
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I do experience disappointing binocular overlap and yes the glare can be strong in certain scenes but depth perception and edge to edge clarity is decent for me it looks like the Quest Pro videos. Is that a face head shape thing, an IPD/vision thing, bad design or simply quality issues on a defective unit? Impossible to say as a consumer...
We need some VR physical retail stores to test different headsets but ideally test/check the actual product you end up purchasing and take home.