Ramadan 2020

NVP · 27 Apr 2020 at 08:23

Ah, I see your level of literacy is lower than I expected. Perhaps reread my post.

TurtleTwo · 27 Apr 2020 at 08:23

doodah said:
As NVP says - you're more than entitled but you have no respect and labelled over a billion people with your brushstroke of ignorance. You chose to come into this thread, you chose to write in this thread and you chose to share your bigotry and hatred. No one forced you to do that, you could have just eaten your breakfast in peace but you didn't - you chose this instead.

**** sandwich?

So speaking the truth and stating facts about the consequences that comes from doing idiotic things is hatred now is it? next you'll be calling me a racist too.

No, Weetabix actually.

doodah · 27 Apr 2020 at 08:27

TurtleTwo said:
So speaking the truth and stating facts and the consequences that comes from doing idiotic things is hatred now is it? next you'll be calling me a racist too.

No, Weetabix actually.

What facts have you stated, got a source?

TurtleTwo · 27 Apr 2020 at 08:30

NVP said:
Ah, I see your level of literacy is lower than I expected. Perhaps reread my post.

What don't you understand? I gave a reply deemed worthy enough.

TurtleTwo · 27 Apr 2020 at 08:31

doodah said:
What facts have you stated, got a source?

The ones you highlighted, yes, my source is living in London, and working with muslims over the years. Also plenty of information on the internet. I'm not going to pick sources out. The info is out there.

doodah · 27 Apr 2020 at 08:34

TurtleTwo said:
The ones you highlighted, yes, my source is living in London, and working with muslims over the years. Also plenty of information on the internet. I'm not going to pick sources out. The info is out there.

You didn't specify a specific group of Muslims, implying Muslims as a whole. And here we go - go find it yourself which likely means you've made a claim you can't back up. Glad we got that sorted.

I live in London - funny I haven't seen the same thing as you.

TurtleTwo · 27 Apr 2020 at 08:37

doodah said:
You didn't specify a specific group of Muslims, implying Muslims as a whole. And here we go - go find it yourself which likely means you've made a claim you can't back up. Glad we got that sorted.

I live in London - funny I haven't seen the same thing as you.

Can you back up your claims of Ramadam not being idiotic and unhealthy?

You don't need sources to prove how stupid it is to starve oneself, common sense tells you that, even more so doing for a religion.

doodah · 27 Apr 2020 at 08:38

TurtleTwo said:
Can you back up your claims of Ramadam not being idiotic and unhealthy?

You don't need sources to prove how stupid it is to starve oneself, common sense tells you that, even more so doing for a religion.

This couldn't be more predictable, I didn't make the initial claim - you did. The onus is on you, not me. So you don't have anything to back it up do you.....

TurtleTwo · 27 Apr 2020 at 08:41

doodah said:
This couldn't be more predictable, I didn't make the initial claim - you did. The onus is on you, not me. So you don't have anything to back it up do you.....

Common sense, as I've told you, believing in something that makes no sense at all is idiotic. Who needs a source to prove that? You are brainwashed.

You're not going to get more XP for doing it, and you're not going to go to some promise land after this life, and don't give me it's more to do with feeling empathy for the poor, while in the western world you go back to filling your faces with delights after it's done. Something the poor can't do.

doodah · 27 Apr 2020 at 08:44

TurtleTwo said:
Common sense, as I've told you, believing in something that makes no sense at all is idiotic. Who needs a source to prove that? You are brainwashed.

You're not going to get more XP for doing it, and you're not going to go to some promise land after this life, and don't give me it's more to do with feeling empathy for the poor, while in the western world you go back to filling your faces with delights after it's done. Something the poor can't do.

So that's still a no - why is it so difficult to say you don't have anything to backup your very specific accusations? This isn't a video game - I don't need XP. A little more resentment coming out I see, what do you put on your Weetabix?

TurtleTwo · 27 Apr 2020 at 08:48

doodah said:
So that's still a no - why is it so difficult to say you don't have anything to backup your very specific accusations? This isn't a video game - I don't need XP. A little more resentment coming out I see, what do you put on your Weetabix?

Ramadan is a repurposed pagan holiday
The system of sunrise to sunset fasting is dumb and doesn't work equally all over the globe.
Not being allowed to fast because you are on your period is a rule made by an uneducated person. Being on your period does not make you unclean.
Starving yourself during work hours is counter-intuitive to your bodies health
Starving yourself just to hardcore feast later serves no real purpose.

The reason I think Ramadan is useless and idotic is mainly because of the reason Muslims do this. Isn't it the case that Muslims fast because they're trying to get as many hasanaat as possible in order to end up in a mythological paradise after they die? If that is the case then yes I am of the opinion that it is nonsensical to fast because of this reason. You have no good reason to believe this place exists since there is no evidence whatsoever. So all the dedication is for absolutely nothing. It's unhealthy.

TurtleTwo · 27 Apr 2020 at 08:53

A study found that violent crime rates increase by over 20% in Algeria during Ramadan.

220% increase in petty crime
120% increase in domestic abuse
320% increase in fights and assault
40% increase in accidents
80% increase in deaths

Who would’ve thought that dehydration and low blood sugar would make people more violent and the human body incapable of functioning properly? :rolleyes:

Also, doctors dread Ramadan because so many people are hospitalized because of malnutrition before iftar or binge eating after iftar. source

Zefan · 27 Apr 2020 at 09:03

That's enough of that you two.

TurtleTwo · 27 Apr 2020 at 09:04

So because this is the UK, dehydration and low blood sugar has no effect on us? Ok then. Throw more insults please! clearly you're upset.

doodah · 27 Apr 2020 at 09:05

TurtleTwo said:
Ramadan is a repurposed pagan holiday
The system of sunrise to sunset fasting is dumb and doesn't work equally all over the globe.
Not being allowed to fast because you are on your period is a rule made by an uneducated person. Being on your period does not make you unclean.
Starving yourself during work hours is counter-intuitive to your bodies health
Starving yourself just to hardcore feast later serves no real purpose.

The reason I think Ramadan is useless and idotic is mainly because of the reason Muslims do this. Isn't it the case that Muslims fast because they're trying to get as many hasanaat as possible in order to end up in a mythological paradise after they die? If that is the case then yes I am of the opinion that it is nonsensical to fast because of this reason. You have no good reason to believe this place exists since there is no evidence whatsoever. So all the dedication is for absolutely nothing. It's unhealthy.

At least we're getting somewhere, now stating it's your opinion. You have lost me on the sunrise/sunset thing - so I shouldn't have set my alarm for 6.15am this morning because it's evening somewhere else? And it's technically before sunrise when you start fasting. You also fail to mention things like self-discipline, a time of reflection, been more compassionate to those less fortunate and sacrifice but I guess things like that don't fit your world view.

TurtleTwo said:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2956297/

A study found that violent crime rates increase by over 20% in Algeria during Ramadan.

220% increase in petty crime

120% increase in domestic abuse

320% increase in fights and assault

40% increase in accidents

80% increase in deaths

Who would’ve thought that dehydration and low blood sugar would make people more violent and the human body incapable of functioning properly?

Hang on a sec - you were talking about London earlier. Why suddenly pick Algeria? Your earlier accusations implied Muslims a whole, then you switched to London and now Algeria. So are your accusations about all Muslims, London Muslims or Algerian Muslims. Furthermore - where did you get that 80% figure from, I can't see it in the article you cited?

Yadda · 27 Apr 2020 at 09:09

Another non-Muslim expert on Ramadan embarrasses the rest of us.

Like moths to a flame...

This is supposed to be a nice thread, not a place for signalling joylessness.

doodah · 27 Apr 2020 at 09:12

Think I have figured it out. He went on a holiday to Algeria, had a terrible time and has been resentful since. So now he frequents forums eating his Weetabix waiting for Ramadan to start and then he can have his fun.

TurtleTwo · 27 Apr 2020 at 09:14

doodah said:
At least we're getting somewhere, now stating it's your opinion. You have lost me on the sunrise/sunset thing - so I shouldn't have set my alarm for 6.15am this morning because it's evening somewhere else? And it's technically before sunrise when you start fasting. You also fail to mention things like self-discipline, a time of reflection, been more compassionate to those less fortunate and sacrifice but I guess things like that don't fit your world view.

Hang on a sec - you were talking about London earlier. Why suddenly pick Algeria? Your earlier accusations implied Muslims a whole, then you switched to London and now Algeria. So are your accusations about all Muslims, London Muslims or Algerian Muslims. Furthermore - where did you get that 80% figure from, I can't see it in the article you cited?

So you feel compassion for those less fortunate for a while yet go and stuff your face later with delights. Good one.

Oh yes I am going to self discipline this month and starve myself of food and water, you know, self discipline. No, you do it because you are brainwashed into it. You believe in something that is man-made and nonsensical to all science and life as a whole.

TurtleTwo · 27 Apr 2020 at 09:15

doodah said:
Think I have figured it out. He went on a holiday to Algeria, had a terrible time and has been resentful since. So now he frequents forums eating his Weetabix waiting for Ramadan to start and then he can have his fun.

Never been actually, you asked for sources, I provided.

doodah · 27 Apr 2020 at 09:18

TurtleTwo said:
Never been actually, you asked for sources, I provided.

Nope. You provided a link to a paper but none of the following bullet points are mentioned in it...

So just to recap..

You like Weetabix
You made some very specific accusations about Islam and Ramadan
Your source for these accusations is living in London and something something Algeria
You struggle with time zones