Soldato
He said that was on 360 aio and Ai tuning only. SP was 100 no idea on P core sp
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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments
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13900K vs 7950X Gaming.
Have to click link to watch on Youtube.
Have to click link to watch on Youtube.
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13900k as expected here, fastest gaming CPU.
Soldato
Will Alder Lake chip prices be cheaper than at present when these new 13th gen chips are available ?
Yeah, a whopping 6 FPS gain in some games, it’s absolutely world breaking.
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Got to pretend you do 3D modelling and stuff to justify it to others.
Associate
On Linus Tech Tips they are saying NDA is 9AM EST tomorrow.
Usually its day before retail availability and they mentioned that happens when results are going to be less than what they hoped for in benchmarks so early sales do not disappoint.
Usually its day before retail availability and they mentioned that happens when results are going to be less than what they hoped for in benchmarks so early sales do not disappoint.
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Of course it is. If it got 2 fps in all games you would still say its fastest. Not seen it up against 5800X 3D yet. In fairness though looking at the small margins between Zen 4 and 13th Gen (<10%) then Zen 4 3D should trounce it
Soldato
What intel pulled is nothing sort of a miracle though. 40% performance increase with similar wattage in a single year at the same nm with similar prices. That has probably never happened before. Actually that hasnt even happened in the GPU space either. Love them or hate them, they delivered.
For context, it took amd 2 years, a node shrink, a price increase and 50% more wattage to deliver a similar performance increase.(7950x to 5950x).
For context, it took amd 2 years, a node shrink, a price increase and 50% more wattage to deliver a similar performance increase.(7950x to 5950x).
I haven't yet seen productivity results with power usage between 13900k and 7950x yet ?
Why do you think the increases are bigger each time it's because of competition !
The way you make it sound Intel should be well ahead then ? 40% increase wow should be running away with it but all I see its pretty close LOL
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Miracle
do Intel pay you and Dave to spout your rubbish continuously on here? Gets boring very quickly.
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Yeah strange is performance uplifts are that good for 13th gen Intel, why do they have NDA until tomorrow when most have it a day before.
Miracle
How much of a shill can you be , boast miracles increases yet both look similarly matched the way he makes it sound intel should be well ahead
I'll be interested to see productivity results between the pair with efficiency
With or without windows bug fixed. As shown by capframex, 7950x currently runs games 10-15%slower than it should due to a windows 11 bug
Edit: oh it's not even a real benchmark you guys are hyped for fake YouTube scores lmao
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One has to wonder if Intel can magic up extra MP performance then why the heck are they still so far behind in performance compared to amd in the markets of HEDT and server
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Because they cant scale the interconnect. It's basically that simple. They are years behind on interconnect tech so are basically making do. Besides that they have emib which is way too power hungry and the vapour wear that is foveros. Then you have the issue of what the architecture does when you take away its ring. So many reasons why they aren't competitive at the server and hedt levels... It all basically boils down to power draw and inability to build the massive monolithic chips etc etc.
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It's called squeezing every last bit out of an architecture that doesn't have a solid future and has terrible financials in terms of what it costs to build while you scramble to build something akin to what you mocked some 5 years back. I wouldn't call it a miracle so much as doing what you have to do to compete with a much, much more elegant design that costs a fraction to build while being just as fast. Make no mistake even if its market leading it wont be a success for intel due to all of these factors.
That doesnt make it bad for you, me or the average user but for intel it's still a country mile from the sort of designs they need to stop haemorrhaging financially.
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Is Intel manufacturing process more outdated and a problem or is it their design philosophy??
It does seem they did a really good job with the P cores on Alder Lake as they got a 15-17% IPC improvement over Zen 3 and can clock higher. Though it seemed much more expensive to make relative to performance. Is that Intel's issue more so than advancing tech?? Its doing it at cost effective margins without them changing??
Soldato
Yes.
Intel's manufacturing has been woeful for a very long time, regularly delayed and having to cut back on features originally planned just to get something out the door or else be locked on old tech and the products suffer for it (big example being the bazillion years stuck on 14nm and the joke products that came out towards the end).
And Intel's design philosophy is horribly outdated, as Vince described. Yes, the Golden Cove core is pretty good in catching and overtaking AMD's performance lead, but it's still a clunky mess. It's huge, it's power hungry and when attached to other things to make a CPU, it just does not scale. Plus Intel still make monolithic chips so they cost a lot to make, cost a lot in wastage and just not agile enough to be profitable at the levels Intel would like (or shareholders demand).