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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

Well they've got at least 2 CPU generations planned for 7nm EUV processes. They're already building prototype Meteor Lake CPUs (mobile as far as I know). So near term, 7nm EUV CPUs are Intel's primary concern, especially beyond 2022. It's what they've talked about and tested for years now.

They have Fab 42 ready for 7nm EUV production, they are building new factories to boost production. It will be a challenge, but their spending on factories and new equipment appears to be pretty colossal, much to the disapproval of some investors, who apparently just wanted some easy, steady growth.

Intel has the financial backing of the US gov. who seem unwilling to see Intel lose any more ground to companies like TSMC.

Intel may have a problem at the end of 2022, their servers will likely struggle to compete with AMD's Zen 4 server chips... But they will recover in 2023.
 
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7nm 8 core Skylake+Atom variants 3 years down the road when 7nm is already 3 years out of date. Hardly impressive.

Intels TSMC built GPUs on 5nm next month.
 
Their Sapphire Rapids and Meteor Lake designs aren't going to use a hybrid design, that was for Alder Lake only.

They are moving over to a completely different 'tiled' design for Meteor Lake.
 
Good point, but it's in Intel's official roadmaps and they have completed prototype designs. They are building 7nm CPUs for 2023...

The reason I was so critical of the rumoured 'Raptor Lake' is there is no evidence it's being worked on at all. The question no one has been able to answer is, if they could build an improved 10nm CPU for 2022, why release the 90 degrees celsius 12900K, at all?

Answer - They don't have improved 10nm designs for 2022. They hit a limit on what could be achieved on Intel's 10nm technology, so they added some lower power cores to keep the temps from exceeding 100 degrees C...
 
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g67575 said:
Their Sapphire Rapids and Meteor Lake designs aren't going to use a hybrid design, that was for Alder Lake only.

They are moving over to a completely different 'tiled' design for Meteor Lake.
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The titled design is to use a multiple nodes of different sizes. Ie 14 and 10nm ie 10nm 8 Skylake cores and maybe 5nm TSMC GPU. 14 and 10nm needs to be retired 3-5 years ago. But this Intel so maybe 22nm will make another come back.
 
g67575 said:
Their Sapphire Rapids and Meteor Lake designs aren't going to use a hybrid design, that was for Alder Lake only.

They are moving over to a completely different 'tiled' design for Meteor Lake.
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These two things you think are the same are not.

The tiles are a packaging system, not a core layout
 
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The 'compute' tile is what counts:
http://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/kNMCrHXM2RazQcAF8vHqRG.jpg

This part is built with Intel's 7nm EUV. Source here:
https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2021/03/Intel-Meteor-Lake-1.jpg
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Having one tile made from 7nm EUV in 2023-4 when 2-3nm X lithography will be available.

Around the time Nova lake lands is when Intel should start coming back into the CPU market.

Intel is all about pushing its TSMC graphics cards into the market as hard as possible. Maybe even at a loss and I’m sure Intel GPU market adoption will be welcomed.

This should be more than enough to keep you Intel chaps happy and divert GPU revenue to Intel bigly.

It’s the “GPU” core that matters most for Intel. The GPU will be Intel’s only modern design on a competitive process for some time.
 
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Well, I'm done with this 'rational debate', let me know when you have some actual new info about Meteor Lake, chaps :D

Which has the advantage of actually existing.

Some more things to think about here:
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/intel-meteor-lake-powered-on

"an SoC die packing such units as a memory controller, a PCIe controller, and a Thunderbolt controller."

Sapphire Rapids uses one type of core only, in my opinion, Intel will have no good reason to include low power 'Gracemont' cores in Meteor Lake. But, if they can manage 16 or more high power cores in desktop versions, I doubt it matters too much.
 
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g67575 said:
Well, I'm done with this 'rational debate', let me know when you have some actual new info about Meteor Lake, chaps :D

Which has the advantage of actually existing.
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Your understanding of the situation isn’t great, but I wouldn’t call you irrational.

Intel need a chip design and node to move forward. Intel currently have neither but are working toward it over the next fives years.

The reason Intel don’t have either a design or plant to produce is because Intel messed up really badly with 14nm and the promised 10nm solution is also a failure.

Raja Kodori identified the node issues in 2017 and shifted Intel’s GPU strategy to TSMC while Intel’s CPU devisions blindly kept pushing down a dead end with 14 and 10nm and even 22nm.

Essentially Intel are now primarily a graphics company with a huge amount of resources for the next 5-10 years.
 
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Intel's roadmaps don't mention 10nm beyond 2021 (discussion of 14nm is now irrelevant). I think you seem to be oddly stuck in the present.

You've completely ignored what I said about their existing 7nm EUV capable foundries (such as fab 42).

They are abandoning 10nm, and moving onto 7nm EUV, that's Intel's plan for 2023 and 2024.

I get that a lot of people don't care about that yet, it's more than a year away, so it's no surprise.

You seem to want to discuss anything but Intel's 7nm EUV process, which is the most important thing for Intel's plans in the coming years.
 
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Intel's roadmaps don't mention 10nm beyond 2021 (discussion of 14nm is now irrelevant). I think you seem to be stuck in the present.

You've completely ignored what I said about their existing 7nm EUV capable foundries (such as fab 42).

They are abandoning 10nm, and moving onto 7nm EUV, that's Intel's plan for 2023 and 2024.

I get that a lot of people don't care about that yet, it's more than a year away, so it's no surprise.

You seem to want to discuss anything but Intel's 7nm EUV process, which is the most important thing for Intel's plans in the coming years.
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intel 7nm is outdated now. Your talking about chip designs that also on outdated and years down the road.

You seem to be deliberately ignoring that Intel are a long way behind on all fronts.
 
If you don't think 'Intel 4' / or 'Intel 3' will be enough, Intel thinks the transistor density of their 7nm EUV technology will ultimately have '202-250 million transistors per square millimeter'. Source here:
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process#P1276

That's double that of their current 'Intel 7' process.

Intel's 10nm transistor density estimates turned out to be pretty accurate, even back in 2017.

5nm EUV is currently estimated to achieve '130-230 million transistors per square millimeter', according to a Wikichip. So, these process technologies are very similar in this regard.
 
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If you don't think 'Intel 4' / or 'Intel 3' will be enough, Intel thinks the transistor density of their 7nm EUV technology will ultimately have '202-250 million transistors per square millimeter'. Source here:
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process#P1276

That's double that of their current 'Intel 7' process.
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Intel’s 18A node will be what offers the chance for Intel to get back in the CPU game.

Until then, it’s all about Intel graphics cards from TSMC.

Dave2150 said:
AIDA64 v6.60 receives Intel Raptor Lake support

https://videocardz.com/press-releas...0-ti-laptop-gpu-and-intel-raptor-lake-support

Further confirmation that Raptor Lake exists and is coming :)
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No really a surprise considering. What is surprising is no update for Intel ARC when evaluation samples are out in the wild


=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
Second time I’ve seen jigger go off the deep end. Apple are the new gaming laptop kings (they have no interest in gaming never have) and intel (the current leader in gaming performance) have nothing that competes.

Tell me you are a troll without saying you are a troll.
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Well you do take while to get upto speed. But yeah, Intel’s manufacturing node needs lots of development. And when I say lots I mean Intel have to knock everything out the park and reach every goal for the next 5 years.

Many people doubt Intel can execute that without a top down reorg of the company.
 
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AIDA64 v6.60 receives Intel Raptor Lake support

https://videocardz.com/press-releas...0-ti-laptop-gpu-and-intel-raptor-lake-support

Videocardz said:
The latest AIDA64 update introduces optimized benchmarks for Intel “Alder Lake” and “Raptor Lake” processors, improvements for DDR5 memory modules and XMP 3.0 memory profiles, and supports the latest AMD and Intel CPU platforms as well as the new graphics and GPGPU computing technologies by both AMD and nVIDIA.
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Videocardz said:
New features & improvements

  • AVX-512 and AVX2 accelerated benchmarks for Intel Alder Lake and Raptor Lake processors
  • Improved support for Intel Raptor Lake CPU and DDR5 memory modules
  • Support for DDR5 XMP 3.0 memory profiles
  • Preliminary support for Intel Meteor Lake CPU
  • GPU details for nVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 12GB and GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Laptop
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Further confirmation that Raptor Lake exists and is coming :)
 
jigger said:
Intel’s 18A node will be what offers the chance for Intel to get back in the CPU game.

Until then, it’s all about Intel graphics cards from TSMC.
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Second time I’ve seen jigger go off the deep end. Apple are the new gaming laptop kings (they have no interest in gaming never have) and intel (the current leader in gaming performance) have nothing that competes.

Tell me you are a troll without saying you are a troll.
 
@Dave2150 - Fine, but I would question how it's possible to add support for 'Raptor Lake' or Meteor Lake CPUs yet, when these aren't completed products (even prototypes wouldn't be available to anyone but Intel). It sounds like they improved DDR5 support + XMP Profiles and some text saying you have 'x' CPU installed.

In effect, it sounds like placeholder text.

I get that some people want an easy upgrade from Alder Lake, but Intel's effort is going into 7nm EUV technology and Meteor Lake. Don't get why people aren't hyped for this, but maybe it's still too soon.
 
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g67575 said:
@Dave2150 - Fine, but I would question how it's possible to add support for 'Raptor Lake' or Meteor Lake CPUs yet, when these aren't completed products (even prototypes wouldn't be available to anyone but Intel). It sounds like they just added DDR5 support + XMP Profiles and some text saying you have 'x' CPU installed.
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Because Alder lake, Raptor lake and to a lesser extent meteor lake are all the same core architecture. Think Skylake to Kaby.
 
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