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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

Gondar said:
Because big/little is short term solution to offer as many cores as AMD, once they find tiles/chiplet solution they won't need that little cores and they will offer more big cores while having good yields because of MCM design. If not 2d, then 3d stacking cores will kill big/little no doubt.
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We have Apple, ARM, Intel and soon AMD is rumoured to be going big little with Zen 5 so I don't think it's a short term fad but rather the direction the industry is moving.
 
The big.little design is only suited to mobile devices with limited cooling / power constraints, it's a poor design for desktop processors.

12900KS or Raptor Lake in 2022? Intel fans - Yes, both at the same time

The price is probably gonna be £800-£900 lol. So much for the silicon lottery.
 
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g67575 said:
The big.little design is only suited to mobile devices with limited cooling / power constraints, it's a poor design for desktop processors.
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The performance uplift especially in MT that Intel got from 11th > 12th gen while using less power shows its actually worked very well.
 
Gamers and a lot of other people don't care massively about multithreaded performance though. It's mostly something you benefit from in specific workloads, load Unreal Engine development, or rendering.
 
g67575 said:
Gamers and a lot of other people don't care massively about multithreaded performance though. It's mostly something you benefit from in specific workloads, load Unreal Engine development, or rendering.
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thats why you have the 8 big cores to cover those workloads though.
 
g67575 said:
I'd 2nd this, either we get nothing, or maybe a small improvement on Alder Lake? I'm curious to see if they can integrate their power improvements to into Golden Cove.

Loads of excitement, when HEDT and server Golden Cove are still 6 months away...

Intel probably only needs a 5% improvement in performance, to stay ahead of AMD in 2022.
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16 big cores and plus 5% and Intel should be on par with the last versions of the DDR4 Zen3 desktop chips.
 
Maybe Jigger's a troll, but Intel is already ahead in single core performance and in most games. Intel needs a higher quantity of these higher performing cores, not low power ones.
 
g67575 said:
Maybe Jigger's a troll, but Intel is already ahead in single core performance and in most games. Intel needs a higher quantity of these higher performing cores, not low power ones.
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Barely ahead against EOL parts. Intel need 16 big cores. 8 cores are simple not enough in the current year.
 
jigger said:
Barely ahead against EOL parts. Intel need 16 big cores. 8 cores are simple not enough in the current year.
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Still ahead of Zen 3 for now, I bet even if the E-Cores were disabled.

Here you go, the 12900K is about 6-7% ahead at lower resolutions, even with just the 8 Golden Coves enabled:
https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-cor...mages/relative-performance-games-1280-720.png

Presumably, a similar story for the 12700K. Nearly identical performance at higher resolutions, but that is no surprise.
 
g67575 said:
Lol thats interesting if it end up being true. Seems like something they might announce at CES.

Really scraping the barrel if it's correct. I wonder if they will do anything to keep the insane temps under control?
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Aye? The 12900k is one of the coolest gaming chips on the market. At 1080p gaming a 12900k draws around 70w and runs cooler than any Zen3 CPU apart from the 5600x
 
jigger said:
The 5800X and above murdered everything Intel had. Even the top end of the 3000 series did.
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that's quite some murder going on there.

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Gondar said:
Big/little will die sooner than later, once Intel get tiles/chiplets it will be bye bye to big/little, not to mention 3d stacking cores so even less reason to use big/little. AMD had presentation about 3d staking cores, it isn't far away and yield will be much better than in existing 2d stacking cores.
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Intel have been forced to take the big little approach short term. But yeah, once Intel has the tech in place to scale across more than 8 cores big-little is done.
 
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