Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

[Grim5]

@Dave2150 - Fine, but I would question how it's possible to add support for 'Raptor Lake' or Meteor Lake CPUs yet, when these aren't completed products (even prototypes wouldn't be available to anyone but Intel). It sounds like they improved DDR5 support + XMP Profiles and some text saying you have 'x' CPU installed.

In effect, it sounds like placeholder text.

I get that some people want an easy upgrade from Alder Lake, but Intel's effort is going into 7nm EUV technology and Meteor Lake. Don't get why people aren't hyped for this, but maybe it's still too soon.

It's when samples for these CPUs first appear and the manufacturer makes a request to the software company to add support so the manufacturer can test how the new CPUs runs.

When you see "xyz" benchmark has added support for "abc" future cpu/gpu it's because someone has tried to test the new hardware and failed then gone to the software developer and asked them to update their software.

This is why benchmarks and other software gets support for new hardware many months in advance of products being released to the public.

That's all there is to it, it's not a global conspiracy theory to prove you wrong, even though you are.

 

[g67575]

I like how there's no way to verify what you are saying, but you say it with confidence anyway

There doesn't need to be a 'global conspiracy' for wishful thinking to be incorrect.

It's more likely the developers added some place holder text if/when these CPUs release.

The headline for this update (v6.60) is 'Alder Lake Optimizations and DDR5 Support', which is what it actually focuses on. Link here:
https://www.aida64.com/news/pr/aida64-v660-press-release

Maybe if there were some verified screenshots showing early Raptor Lake or Meteor Lake benchmarks in AIDA64, this would seem more believable.

 

[Journey]

How deep are you digging that hole, lol.

You'll deny Raptor Lake even if you had one shoved in your mouth by Intel.

 

[g67575]

You'll probably keep insisting it exists in January 2023, even if Intel says nothing.

It is true that Intel *might* still announce something at CES in January 2022.

The thing to bear in mind, is that Alder Lake is a big deal for Intel, they can keep it going for a year, or 18 months.

 

[Grim5]

Intel just released a new iGPU graphics driver to support Raptor Lake. The driver code also has specs on Raptor lake we didn't know, like the iGPU on Raptor lake has significantly more cores than Alder Lake.

the driver also lists future upcoming hardware, like DG3 Battlemage dGPUs as well as iGPUs on Meteor Lake, Lunar Lake.


https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-a...sti-dgpu-raptor-meteor-arrow-lunar-lake-igpus

 

[Journey]

It's a lie Raptor Lake doesn't exist... shhh..

 

[Vulture]

Big/little will die sooner than later, once Intel get tiles/chiplets it will be bye bye to big/little, not to mention 3d stacking cores so even less reason to use big/little. AMD had presentation about 3d staking cores, it isn't far away and yield will be much better than in existing 2d stacking cores.

 

[g67575]

Not sure about the driver tbh. If Raptor Lake does exist, why did they pull the driver? Those lines of text look like hardware IDs (with no specific code for each platform), in other words, easy to add and remove as required. Intel can add or remove things that they might release in the future, presumably to ensure everything has a unique hardware ID.

Lunar Lake is so far off, there's no way they have a working driver for that.

 

[Grim5]

Not sure about the driver tbh. If Raptor Lake does exist, why did they pull the driver?

There, there, it's going to be alright - the ice is thin, but just try to hang on

 

[Joxeon]

Big/little will die sooner than later, once Intel get tiles/chiplets it will be bye bye to big/little, not to mention 3d stacking cores so even less reason to use big/little. AMD had presentation about 3d staking cores, it isn't far away and yield will be much better than in existing 2d stacking cores.

Why would Intel stop using big little when they have tiles as its proven to be very good especially for MT? If anything it will just mean more big little cores can be added.

 

[Dicehunter]

Doing a build for my little brother and he wants to go Alderlake but if there's already talk of Raptorlake only 1 month after Alderlake launched is it worth even getting it ?

 

[g67575]

See if Intel announce anything in January 2022, it's not impossible.

I wouldn't expect a large improvement over Alder Lake, if Intel does announce anything 'new'. They can't produce 7nm EUV processors yet.

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

If anything is released it will be Intels old tick/Tok schedule. More likely AL+ then “RL” end of year. All speculation but would make sense for them. Then they have AL+ vs ryzen 3dcache and RL vs AM5.

This would be best case for us for competition and to keep prices down.

 

[jonneymendoza]

here we go again lol.. let me get my alder lake system together first lol..

and were already 8+ pages in??!?!

Is raptor lake released already? What has overt 100 messaged been about ?

 

[jonneymendoza]

Big/little will die sooner than later, once Intel get tiles/chiplets it will be bye bye to big/little, not to mention 3d stacking cores so even less reason to use big/little. AMD had presentation about 3d staking cores, it isn't far away and yield will be much better than in existing 2d stacking cores.

umm m1 max/pro says hellp.

BIg little aint going nowhere

 

[g67575]

If anything is released it will be Intels old tick/Tok schedule. More likely AL+ then “RL” end of year.

I'd 2nd this, either we get nothing, or maybe a small improvement on Alder Lake? I'm curious to see if they can integrate their power improvements to into Golden Cove.

Loads of excitement, when HEDT and server Golden Cove are still 6 months away...

Intel probably only needs a 5% improvement in performance, to stay ahead of AMD in 2022.

 

[Dicehunter]

I'd 2nd this, either we get nothing, or maybe a small improvement on Alder Lake? I'm curious to see if they can integrate their power improvements to into Golden Cove.

Loads of excitement, when HEDT and server Golden Cove are still 6 months away...

Intel probably only needs a 5% improvement in performance, to stay ahead of AMD in 2022.

The 12900KS was just leaked to be coming soon to counter AMD's V-Cache refresh that will offer a 300MHz bump over the "standard" 12900K, If that's all Intel need to counter AMD's refresh I highly doubt they'll be replacing their 1 month old AL CPU's so soon.

 

[Vulture]

Why would Intel stop using big little when they have tiles as its proven to be very good especially for MT? If anything it will just mean more big little cores can be added.

Because big/little is short term solution to offer as many cores as AMD, once they find tiles/chiplet solution they won't need that little cores and they will offer more big cores while having good yields because of MCM design. If not 2d, then 3d stacking cores will kill big/little no doubt.

 

[g67575]

The 12900KS was just leaked to be coming soon to counter AMD's V-Cache refresh that will offer a 300MHz bump over the "standard" 12900K, If that's all Intel need to counter AMD's refresh I highly doubt they'll be replacing their 1 month old AL CPU's so soon.

Lol thats interesting if it end up being true. Seems like something they might announce at CES.

Really scraping the barrel if it's correct. I wonder if they will do anything to keep the insane temps under control?

 

[Journey]

The 12900KS was just leaked to be coming soon to counter AMD's V-Cache refresh that will offer a 300MHz bump over the "standard" 12900K, If that's all Intel need to counter AMD's refresh I highly doubt they'll be replacing their 1 month old AL CPU's so soon.

They aren't Raptor Lake in H2 2022, with a likely release in August-October, and until then it will just be new Alder SKU's.