Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

[Dave2150]

People only ever look at the 1% high power draw and never what it will acutally consume during games.

Practically identical power consumption to 7950X in games. 13900K is cheaper and also much faster. 13900k is clearly the winner when it comes to games, which is what the vast majority buy these CPU's for, in my experience.

@Grim5 - Should have waited!

 

[timorous]

Don't focus on the power unlimited results, those are irrelevant. Check the stock 253w results, computerbase gets 38k while tpup gets 32k. The difference is just huge

The score is 2k higher than most others and 3k higher than some. Suggests they are doing a very short test run instead of the 10 minute run.

EDIT: Which further suggests that in the short run the CPU is boosting / drawing more power so is it really pulling 253w sustained or is it pulling more then dropping down to 253w?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Mine doesn’t arrive until tomorrow.

Whenever you have some time(and if you have the game)!

 

[uscool]

It's amazing cause Intel only had 1 year from the release of alderlake to catch up to 2 years worth of progress on AMD's part, and on top of that with a die shrink. Don't know man, if you don't find that progress amazing I don't know what to tell you, it probably has never happened EVER before in the history of anything computer related, including gpus.

I couldnt care less with what either have done with progress all I care is what both have for sale right now and I see AMD is more efficent thats not to say what intel has is poor but for productivity they just suck up more power , you boast about such progress in short period but still behind in efficiency so I couldnt care whatever progress they made

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Here are some benchmarks when the CPUs are capped to 65W:

Intel Core i9-13900K vs. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X at 125W and 65W | Club386

Prefer to keep temperature and power consumption down to lower levels this winter? Here's what happens when the best CPUs are scaled back.

www.club386.com

The Core i5 13900K seems to be solid in gaming at 65W!

 

[timorous]

Practically identical power consumption to 7950X in games. 13900K is cheaper and also much faster. 13900k is clearly the winner when it comes to games, which is what the vast majority buy these CPU's for, in my experience.

@Grim5 - Should have waited!

Table from ComputerBase review.

Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K & i5-13600K: Gaming-Könige im Test: Leistungsaufnahme und Effizienz

Intel Raptor Lake im Test: Leistungsaufnahme und Effizienz / Leistungsaufnahme in Anwendungen ab Werk / Der Verbrauch steigt

www.computerbase.de

Intel 13th Gen Core aka Raptor Lake
	Core i9-13900KS AVG/Max	Core i9-13900K AVG/Max	Core i7-13700K AVG/Max	Core i5-13600K AVG/Max
Age of Empires IV	–	80/83 watts	63/90 watts	53/55 watts
Code: Warzone	–	146/151 watts	112/123 watts	93/102 watts
Cyberpunk 2077	–	162/182 watts	121/131 watts	97/105 watts
Death Stranding	–	178/188 watts	126/140 watts	99/111 watts
dota 2	–	132/145 watts	101/107 watts	78/87 watts
Far cry 6	–	125/131 watts	91/95 watts	77/80 watts
Fortnite	–	142/157 watts	103/107 watts	89/93 watts
Ghostwire: Tokyo	–	145/151 watts	107/112 watts	91/95 watts
Guardian of the Galaxy	–	148/163 watts	112/123 watts	92/101 watts
Resident Evil Village	–	135/142 watts	100/119 watts	84/87 watts
Spider-Man Remastered	–	154/160 watts	111/117 watts	96/99 watts
Spider-Man Remastered + RT	–	182/190 watts	133/137 watts	112/116 watts
Average	–	144/154 watts	107/117 watts	88/94 watts
Intel 12th Gen Core aka Alder Lake
	Core i9-12900KS AVG/Max	Core i9-12900K AVG/Max	Core i7-12700K AVG/Max	Core i5-12600K AVG/Max
Age of Empires IV	106/145 watts	62/92 watts	54/59 watts	45/50 watts
Code: Warzone	167/184 watts	104/115 watts	95/103 watts	69/79 watts
Cyberpunk 2077	198/212 watts	125/134 watts	104/111 watts	68/67 watts
Death Stranding	211/229 watts	130/142 watts	107/119 watts	81/88 watts
dota 2	155/173 watts	95/106 watts	83/91 watts	63/69 watts
Far cry 6	141/150 watts	91/96 watts	78/83 watts	64/67 watts
Fortnite	175/182 watts	108/112 watts	94/98 watts	66/71 watts
Ghostwire: Tokyo	176/183 watts	109/114 watts	94/99 watts	71/75 watts
Guardian of the Galaxy	174/195 watts	107/121 watts	96/106 watts	73/82 watts
Resident Evil Village	155/167 watts	96/99 watts	87/91 watts	59/64 watts
Spider-Man Remastered	179/190 watts	112/119 watts	97/101 watts	75/79 watts
Spider-Man Remastered + RT	218/222 watts	136/140 watts	117/124 watts	90/94 watts
Average	171/186 watts	106/116 watts	92/99 watts	69/74 watts
Δ Intel Raptor Lake vs. Intel Alder Lake
AVG Watts (relative)	–	+38 watts (+37%)	+15 watts (+16%)	+19 watts (+28%)
AMD Ryzen 7000
	Ryzen 9 7950X AVG/Max	Ryzen 9 7900X AVG/Max	Ryzen 7 7700X AVG/Max	Ryzen 5 7600X AVG/Max
Average	118/123 watts	107/113 watts	72/77 watts	60/66 watts

 

[uscool]

Practically identical power consumption to 7950X in games. 13900K is cheaper and also much faster. 13900k is clearly the winner when it comes to games, which is what the vast majority buy these CPU's for, in my experience.

@Grim5 - Should have waited!

he can do drop in CPU upgrade with 70003d which imo should give best gaming peformance judging what was done with 58003d

you always seem to buy the best so if 70003d is the best for gaming when it gets released will you be buying one , as the intel platform is dead now

 

[subbytna]

love it when everyone argues who is best, amd this, intel that, go for what you prefer. if u like AMD well done, if you like Intel, well done!

2005 membership and yo'ure just seeing the fanboi bovine excrement now?

 

[Nutty667]

It's amazing cause Intel only had 1 year from the release of alderlake to catch up to 2 years worth of progress on AMD's part, and on top of that with a die shrink. Don't know man, if you don't find that progress amazing I don't know what to tell you, it probably has never happened EVER before in the history of anything computer related, including gpus.

Are you sure there was a die shrink ? All the websites are saying it's the same as Alderlake, Intel 7 process (10nm)

 

[Bencher]

The score is 2k higher than most others and 3k higher than some. Suggests they are doing a very short test run instead of the 10 minute run.

EDIT: Which further suggests that in the short run the CPU is boosting / drawing more power so is it really pulling 253w sustained or is it pulling more then dropping down to 253w?

What do you mean most others? Most others have a score of 38 to 39k, only techpowerup and techspot (hwunboxed) have different results.

 

[uscool]

Table from ComputerBase review.

Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K & i5-13600K: Gaming-Könige im Test: Leistungsaufnahme und Effizienz

Intel Raptor Lake im Test: Leistungsaufnahme und Effizienz / Leistungsaufnahme in Anwendungen ab Werk / Der Verbrauch steigt

www.computerbase.de

Intel 13th Gen Core aka Raptor Lake
	Core i9-13900KS AVG/Max	Core i9-13900K AVG/Max	Core i7-13700K AVG/Max	Core i5-13600K AVG/Max
Age of Empires IV	–	80/83 watts	63/90 watts	53/55 watts
Code: Warzone	–	146/151 watts	112/123 watts	93/102 watts
Cyberpunk 2077	–	162/182 watts	121/131 watts	97/105 watts
Death Stranding	–	178/188 watts	126/140 watts	99/111 watts
dota 2	–	132/145 watts	101/107 watts	78/87 watts
Far cry 6	–	125/131 watts	91/95 watts	77/80 watts
Fortnite	–	142/157 watts	103/107 watts	89/93 watts
Ghostwire: Tokyo	–	145/151 watts	107/112 watts	91/95 watts
Guardian of the Galaxy	–	148/163 watts	112/123 watts	92/101 watts
Resident Evil Village	–	135/142 watts	100/119 watts	84/87 watts
Spider-Man Remastered	–	154/160 watts	111/117 watts	96/99 watts
Spider-Man Remastered + RT	–	182/190 watts	133/137 watts	112/116 watts
Average	–	144/154 watts	107/117 watts	88/94 watts
Intel 12th Gen Core aka Alder Lake
	Core i9-12900KS AVG/Max	Core i9-12900K AVG/Max	Core i7-12700K AVG/Max	Core i5-12600K AVG/Max
Age of Empires IV	106/145 watts	62/92 watts	54/59 watts	45/50 watts
Code: Warzone	167/184 watts	104/115 watts	95/103 watts	69/79 watts
Cyberpunk 2077	198/212 watts	125/134 watts	104/111 watts	68/67 watts
Death Stranding	211/229 watts	130/142 watts	107/119 watts	81/88 watts
dota 2	155/173 watts	95/106 watts	83/91 watts	63/69 watts
Far cry 6	141/150 watts	91/96 watts	78/83 watts	64/67 watts
Fortnite	175/182 watts	108/112 watts	94/98 watts	66/71 watts
Ghostwire: Tokyo	176/183 watts	109/114 watts	94/99 watts	71/75 watts
Guardian of the Galaxy	174/195 watts	107/121 watts	96/106 watts	73/82 watts
Resident Evil Village	155/167 watts	96/99 watts	87/91 watts	59/64 watts
Spider-Man Remastered	179/190 watts	112/119 watts	97/101 watts	75/79 watts
Spider-Man Remastered + RT	218/222 watts	136/140 watts	117/124 watts	90/94 watts
Average	171/186 watts	106/116 watts	92/99 watts	69/74 watts
Δ Intel Raptor Lake vs. Intel Alder Lake
AVG Watts (relative)	–	+38 watts (+37%)	+15 watts (+16%)	+19 watts (+28%)
AMD Ryzen 7000
	Ryzen 9 7950X AVG/Max	Ryzen 9 7900X AVG/Max	Ryzen 7 7700X AVG/Max	Ryzen 5 7600X AVG/Max
Average	118/123 watts	107/113 watts	72/77 watts	60/66 watts

thats gotta be wrong that increase in power used ?? what happened to Significantly improved power efficiency they stated

 

[[Death]]

2005 membership and yo'ure just seeing the fanboi bovine excrement now?

see it every year haha, just never understood it, buy what ya like, simple as lol

 

[Wolverine2349]

Well, I don't really see it, but my outlook is just on getting a 7700k and waiting for the X3D perhaps I'll just wait for the new year no rush.

I am starting to lean the same way and this is coming form someone using a 12700K clocked 5GHz with e-waste cores disabled. I think I will bite the bullet get Ryzen 7 7700X and a higher quality B650E board and then drop in X3D when it comes. If only it was out now darn. Or perhaps a 7950X and wait for X3D.

 

[Robert896r1]

https://www.gskill.com/community/1502239313/1666271602/ grown up ram kits coming. (no that you need these bins to max out A or M die)

 

[uscool]

I am starting to lean the same way and this is coming form someone using a 12700K clocked 5GHz with e-waste cores disabled. I think I will bite the bullet get Ryzen 7 7700X and a higher quality B650E board and then drop in X3D when it comes. If only it was out now darn. Or perhaps a 7950X and wait for X3D.

the newer ones you will probably end up disabling more e cores lol

 

[timorous]

What do you mean most others? Most others have a score of 38 to 39k, only techpowerup and techspot (hwunboxed) have different results.

Most others are 38-39k with unlimited power and techspot use a 10 minute loop. The high 41k score is an outlier possibly explained by ending the benchmark after 1 minute instead of letting it run for all 10.

Techpowerup is low but if the numbers are based on using a Noctua NH-U14S then it could be down to throttling.

 

[Nutty667]

Seems to me Zen4 is the way to go, unless you need absolute top frame rates now.
AM4 dead end platform.
LGA1700 dead end platform.

Drop in a Zen4-3D or wait for drop in Zen5.

 

[Bencher]

Most others are 38-39k with unlimited power and techspot use a 10 minute loop. The high 41k score is an outlier possibly explained by ending the benchmark after 1 minute instead of letting it run for all 10.

Techpowerup is low but if the numbers are based on using a Noctua NH-U14S then it could be down to throttling.

No, guru3d / hwcanucks / club386 / computerbase get 38 to 39k at stock 253w, not with unlimited power.

 

[uscool]

gaming performance here does look impressive and power used i think its the boards used some are unlocked limits etc so results are random , just productivity its not as good

Testing and Tuning the new 13900K for Efficiency

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[cliffy]

Intel 13th Gen Core aka Raptor Lake
	Core i9-13900KS AVG/Max	Core i9-13900K AVG/Max	Core i7-13700K AVG/Max	Core i5-13600K AVG/Max
Age of Empires IV	–	80/83 watts	63/90 watts	53/55 watts
Code: Warzone	–	146/151 watts	112/123 watts	93/102 watts
Cyberpunk 2077	–	162/182 watts	121/131 watts	97/105 watts
Death Stranding	–	178/188 watts	126/140 watts	99/111 watts
dota 2	–	132/145 watts	101/107 watts	78/87 watts
Far cry 6	–	125/131 watts	91/95 watts	77/80 watts
Fortnite	–	142/157 watts	103/107 watts	89/93 watts
Ghostwire: Tokyo	–	145/151 watts	107/112 watts	91/95 watts
Guardian of the Galaxy	–	148/163 watts	112/123 watts	92/101 watts
Resident Evil Village	–	135/142 watts	100/119 watts	84/87 watts
Spider-Man Remastered	–	154/160 watts	111/117 watts	96/99 watts
Spider-Man Remastered + RT	–	182/190 watts	133/137 watts	112/116 watts
Average	–	144/154 watts	107/117 watts	88/94 watts
Intel 12th Gen Core aka Alder Lake
	Core i9-12900KS AVG/Max	Core i9-12900K AVG/Max	Core i7-12700K AVG/Max	Core i5-12600K AVG/Max
Age of Empires IV	106/145 watts	62/92 watts	54/59 watts	45/50 watts
Code: Warzone	167/184 watts	104/115 watts	95/103 watts	69/79 watts
Cyberpunk 2077	198/212 watts	125/134 watts	104/111 watts	68/67 watts
Death Stranding	211/229 watts	130/142 watts	107/119 watts	81/88 watts
dota 2	155/173 watts	95/106 watts	83/91 watts	63/69 watts
Far cry 6	141/150 watts	91/96 watts	78/83 watts	64/67 watts
Fortnite	175/182 watts	108/112 watts	94/98 watts	66/71 watts
Ghostwire: Tokyo	176/183 watts	109/114 watts	94/99 watts	71/75 watts
Guardian of the Galaxy	174/195 watts	107/121 watts	96/106 watts	73/82 watts
Resident Evil Village	155/167 watts	96/99 watts	87/91 watts	59/64 watts
Spider-Man Remastered	179/190 watts	112/119 watts	97/101 watts	75/79 watts
Spider-Man Remastered + RT	218/222 watts	136/140 watts	117/124 watts	90/94 watts
Average	171/186 watts	106/116 watts	92/99 watts	69/74 watts
Δ Intel Raptor Lake vs. Intel Alder Lake
AVG Watts (relative)	–	+38 watts (+37%)	+15 watts (+16%)	+19 watts (+28%)
AMD Ryzen 7000
	Ryzen 9 7950X AVG/Max	Ryzen 9 7900X AVG/Max	Ryzen 7 7700X AVG/Max	Ryzen 5 7600X AVG/Max
Average	118/123 watts	107/113 watts	72/77 watts	60/66 watts

@Dave2150 You liked this table but you do realise it shows that on average teh 7950X consumes less power then the 13900K in games.