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Absolutely man. I know there is no point in arguing in this forum, Intel is going to lose no matter what the facts say, so Ill go with pictures
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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments
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Soldato
You actually believe this graph? Lol ok, so the 13900k consumes around 390 to 400 watts (since thats system power, I removed 100w). Okay buddy.An all core load looks like this, which is a ridiculous amount of extra power.
Absolutely man. I know there is no point in arguing in this forum, Intel is going to lose no matter what the facts say, so Ill go with pictures
I'll be watching reviews over the next few days you think I should give gamersnexus and hardware unboxed a miss any others you recommend I dont watch no idea why both are well regarded if giving unbaised reviews
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Yes, hardware unboxed have proven to be a trusted reviewer with strong morals.
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Soldato
Ill repeat myself, you think the CPU draws 400 watts? FOUR HUNDRED? You do realize that not even a custom loop can cool that right? If a CPU decides to pull that wattage, it will instafry. There is no way he run a bench for more than 3 seconds with the CPU pulling that amount of wattage. It's literally impossible.
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No............. It thermal throttles within 12 seconds, get your facts right.
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Soldato
Skip techpowerup for sure, they are full of crap. Hwunboxed is generally fine but this time around, something is very iffy.
Igorslab / computerbase / club386 / guru3d are generally fine but they are kinda hard to read - i dont like their graphs.
Soldato
So how the heck was it pulling 400 watts???
Anandtech have found motherboards are not always adhering to the powerlimits that are being set so some of these 38k scores at 250W might just be motheboards using more power than set.
Also TPU used an air cooler so their result is due to throttling. Puget used the same cooler and got similar scores.
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Intel i9 13900K and i5 13600K Review Overclocking Thermals Power Draw Gaming and Content Creation
Lets have a look at the Intel Raptor Lake i9 13900K and the i5 13600K CPU's - we have gaming results, CPU Temps, Power Usage, Overclocking plus if you would ...
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Soldato
Well sure, but if it was throttling then it couldn't be pulling 285 watts. That's the problem with techpowerup results, they either failed completely, or they measured power at the first 10 seconds (when it wasn't throttling) and the score at the last 10 minutes. Which is dumb
Watched a few reviews and performance numbers look pretty good. Power consumption / efficiency are laughable but it's not a bad product as a balls to the wall must be fastest product. The big question is where the hell do they go from here? They don't have a more advanced node unless they push production to TSMC so they will be relying on small incremental improvements on the Intel 7 node or they will need to throw more power at it. I'm much more interested in what happens next gen now to see what they do as more power at this level doesn't seem to be the right approach so performance needs to come from somewhere else.
Overall though it doesn't seem a bad product. Competitive but missing some stuff like AVX512 etc which for most isn't a show stopper anyway but certainly helps intel to keep that power down. Not seeing these 40% gains at the same power but then I don't think anybody really expected that anyway. Not bad overall, not ground breaking or magic in anyway and honestly it is almost exactly what I expected it to be, decent showing tbh but honestly where do they go from here?
Overall though it doesn't seem a bad product. Competitive but missing some stuff like AVX512 etc which for most isn't a show stopper anyway but certainly helps intel to keep that power down. Not seeing these 40% gains at the same power but then I don't think anybody really expected that anyway. Not bad overall, not ground breaking or magic in anyway and honestly it is almost exactly what I expected it to be, decent showing tbh but honestly where do they go from here?
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I thought it was a joke at first, the bickering about what CPU is the best etc, but I’ve realised it’s actually affecting people what others buy.
Why can’t we all just agree that any of the last year or two’s CPU’s are within a small percentage of each other for gaming especially @4K.
But Intel is the best
So after watching a few different reviews the take away seems to be that the 13900k beats the 7950X in most workloads even when set to the Intel limits which is 250w vs around 220w for the 7950X.
The 13900k is cheaper than the 7950X, motherboards are also cheaper and you can reuse your old DDR4 for even more savings if you wish. The board and CPU saving alone negates the advantage of AM5s upgradablity and it would likely cost no more buying a 13900k + Z690 then buying a 14900k + Z890 than it would buying an X670 + 7950X then buying a 8950X.
The 13600k looks a real winner against the 7600X and 7700X.
The 13900k is cheaper than the 7950X, motherboards are also cheaper and you can reuse your old DDR4 for even more savings if you wish. The board and CPU saving alone negates the advantage of AM5s upgradablity and it would likely cost no more buying a 13900k + Z690 then buying a 14900k + Z890 than it would buying an X670 + 7950X then buying a 8950X.
The 13600k looks a real winner against the 7600X and 7700X.
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Fast, hot, power hungry.....both sides.
Soldato
Really? Everyone (besides techpowerup and techcspot I guess) have the gains at over 40% at 253w stock. CBR23 is spot on at 43%, but 7zip for example shows bigger gains.
Soldato
So the thread title then, can we change it from "Raptor Lake Leaks" to "Raptor Lake leaks... power!"
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MTL is on Intel 4 which is a major node change. RPL is the last consumer Intel 7 node.
Lack of AVX512 is dumb. Their dumb excuse is that ecores don't support it so windows can't schedule right. My feedback was, then leave it in bios and those who know and want to use it (mainly emulation guys) are capable enough of doing it themselves. Crickets. 99% sure MTL won't support it either.