Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

Bencher · 25 Nov 2022 at 13:25

The 13900k is 50% faster in spiderman, lol

Spider-Man: Miles Morales im Technik-Test: Wunderschöne Winter-Weihnachts-Erweiterung zu Sonys Spinnen-Mann-Hit

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RavenXXX2 · 25 Nov 2022 at 15:24

no_1_dave · 25 Nov 2022 at 17:41

Bencher said:
The 13900k is 50% faster in spiderman, lol

Spider-Man: Miles Morales im Technik-Test: Wunderschöne Winter-Weihnachts-Erweiterung zu Sonys Spinnen-Mann-Hit

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That's gotta be a software bug though so I imagine it'll be fixed

Bencher · 26 Nov 2022 at 11:46

no_1_dave said:
That's gotta be a software bug though so I imagine it'll be fixed

Doubt. In spiderman remastered the difference is still 30%.

Dave2150 · 29 Nov 2022 at 16:08

Bencher said:
The 13900k is 50% faster in spiderman, lol

Spider-Man: Miles Morales im Technik-Test: Wunderschöne Winter-Weihnachts-Erweiterung zu Sonys Spinnen-Mann-Hit

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Let's hope that's a bug, that's a huge difference!

Grim5 · 29 Nov 2022 at 18:11

Asus reveals that Raptor lake is missing the digital voltage regulator that Intel earlier announced it would have

This regulator was claimed it would reduce the amount of voltage required by the cpu by up to 25% but intel removed it from Raptor lake before launch

Intel Might Introduce DLVR 'Digital Voltage Regulator' on Future Desktop CPUs

Digital Linear Voltage Regulator (DLVR), a power delivery mechanism that was created by Intel and was meant to be featured in 13th Gen CPUs.

wccftech.com

Grim5 · 29 Nov 2022 at 18:20

Dave2150 said:
Let's hope that's a bug, that's a huge difference!

It's a major outlier that doesn't translate to other games for whatever reason but the game is a heavy cpu bottleneck at all resolutions. It's another PlayStation console game that somehow runs better on Intel and Nvidia than AMD hardware lol.

Something else that's very interesting in their data:

The Intel Arc GPUs are doing well. 8gb graphics card get destroyed in minimum frame rates

IT Troll · 29 Nov 2022 at 23:38

Grim5 said:
This regulator was claimed it would reduce the amount of voltage required by the cpu by up to 25% but intel removed it from Raptor lake before launch

From the article:

The technology was mostly only beneficial for mobile chips and that's where we might see it launch for the first time before coming to the desktop space.

Bencher · 30 Nov 2022 at 08:48

Dave2150 said:
Let's hope that's a bug, that's a huge difference!

Its not a bug, RT for whatever reason likes memory bandwidth, and zen 4 sucks at it. Its lagging a good 20 to 40 gbs behind intel.

JGF111 · 1 Dec 2022 at 18:48

I think its nothing more than spiderman is one of those outlier games for intel, similar to how something like Horizen Zero Dawn is an outlier game for AMD

Grim5 · 4 Dec 2022 at 20:18

it's funny to see Nvidia claim Moore's law is dead, AMD says no and now Intel says no, though Intels claims are dubious

Intel says by 2030 they'll be producing CPU chips with 1 trillion transistors, using a combination of 1nm transistor node and multiple layer 3D stacking

Who wants to take bets they don't get it done on time

Dave2150 · 5 Dec 2022 at 11:19

Grim5 said:
it's funny to see Nvidia claim Moore's law is dead, AMD says no and now Intel says no, though Intels claims are dubious

Intel says by 2030 they'll be producing CPU chips with 1 trillion transistors, using a combination of 1nm transistor node and multiple layer 3D stacking

Who wants to take bets they don't get it done on time

AMD fanboys hope Intel fails of course. I hope they succeed, as progress > no progress.

Imagine a world where only AMD make competitive CPU's? That would be like we have in the GPU market, where Nvidia is the only choice for the vast majority (88% market share currently - https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...amd-now-at-8-followed-by-intel-at-4.18963044/).

Grim5 · 5 Dec 2022 at 21:30

More updates from intel:

Intel says Meteor lake is ready for mass production on the 4nm node and Arrow Lake is on track for 1st half of 2024 production on the 20A node

Intel Ahead of Schedule: 20 Angstrom Process To Enter Risk Production By 1H 2024, 18A Ready By 2H 2024

The Angstrom era is about to begin and Intel's latest roadmap shows the company is keeping a 'torrid pace' to not only stay on track - but to accelerate the delivery timeline. As the shrinking silicon fights against an onslaught of physical quantum effects, it becomes increasingly harder to...

wccftech.com

Robert896r1 · 6 Dec 2022 at 10:41

Interesting for a couple of reasons. MTL and ARL will not launch alongside. There might be a surprise about MTL which should grab some attention.

Dave2150 · 8 Dec 2022 at 19:26

Interesting, means Meteor lake is almost certainly delayed:

Intel "Raptor Lake-S Refresh" confirmed for Q3 2023, Sapphire Rapids HEDT specs leaked - VideoCardz.com

Roadmaps for Intel’s consumer, workstation and data-center products have been leaked The rumors were true, Intel is indeed launching a refreshed Raptor Lake-S processors next year. The socket longevity will be extended for another series. This is what the new leaked Intel roadmap appears to...

videocardz.com

Videocardz said:
The rumors were true, Intel is indeed launching a refreshed Raptor Lake-S processors next year

The socket longevity will be extended for another series. This is what the new leaked Intel roadmap appears to confirm. The slides posted today by show desktop and workstation products coming within the next 5 quarters. This includes yet unreleased Sapphire Rapids-WS and updated Raptor Lake-S CPUs.

This is the first time we see direct reference to Raptor Lake-S Refresh. It appears that the plan is to launch them in early third quarter of next year, so possibly even sooner than 1 year after the first 13th Gen Core CPUs were announced.

Don't see how they can squeeze anything more out of this architecture, since the 13900k is right on the thermal limit (without socket modifications, custom watercooling) even at stock.

Perhaps another 8 'E' cores? Or maybe a improved process and 6.2Ghz clocks? I think the power draw would be too high!

Also assume this will be more a Haswell > Devil's Canyon (4770k - 4790k) deal, as Meteor Lake is still named 14th gen.

humbug · 8 Dec 2022 at 21:01

Dave2150 said:
Interesting, means Meteor lake is almost certainly delayed:

Intel "Raptor Lake-S Refresh" confirmed for Q3 2023, Sapphire Rapids HEDT specs leaked - VideoCardz.com

Roadmaps for Intel’s consumer, workstation and data-center products have been leaked The rumors were true, Intel is indeed launching a refreshed Raptor Lake-S processors next year. The socket longevity will be extended for another series. This is what the new leaked Intel roadmap appears to...

videocardz.com

Don't see how they can squeeze anything more out of this architecture, since the 13900k is right on the thermal limit (without socket modifications, custom watercooling) even at stock.

Perhaps another 8 'E' cores? Or maybe a improved process and 6.2Ghz clocks? I think the power draw would be too high!

Also assume this will be more a Haswell > Devil's Canyon (4770k - 4790k) deal, as Meteor Lake is still named 14th gen.

Of course its delayed, its Intel.

Dave2150 · 8 Dec 2022 at 21:47

humbug said:
Of course its delayed, its Intel.

Delays aside, I don't see how a Raptor Lake refresh can exist, considering we'll already have the 13900KS soon. Can't push that silicon further without ludicrous power draw, just not possible.

Journey · 8 Dec 2022 at 21:56

10nm refinement, they managed it with 14nm, so much so we got to 14nm ++++++++++++++.

Surely you remember Dave? Your awesome AVX-512 11900K used it.
:cry:

OC2000 · 8 Dec 2022 at 22:16

Dave2150 said:
Interesting, means Meteor lake is almost certainly delayed:

Intel "Raptor Lake-S Refresh" confirmed for Q3 2023, Sapphire Rapids HEDT specs leaked - VideoCardz.com

Roadmaps for Intel’s consumer, workstation and data-center products have been leaked The rumors were true, Intel is indeed launching a refreshed Raptor Lake-S processors next year. The socket longevity will be extended for another series. This is what the new leaked Intel roadmap appears to...

videocardz.com

Don't see how they can squeeze anything more out of this architecture, since the 13900k is right on the thermal limit (without socket modifications, custom watercooling) even at stock.

Perhaps another 8 'E' cores? Or maybe a improved process and 6.2Ghz clocks? I think the power draw would be too high!

Also assume this will be more a Haswell > Devil's Canyon (4770k - 4790k) deal, as Meteor Lake is still named 14th gen.

will just be highly binned 13900ks. basically anyone right now buying a 13900k is getting the bottom crap of their pile.

RSR · 9 Dec 2022 at 01:32

Well that's a stable 8400 base to work with for the daily