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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

Intel Raptor Lake officially with up to 24 cores and 32 threads
The company promises that a successor to Alder Lake will deliver up to a double-digit performance boost.

Source: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-s...-raptor-lake-cpu-with-24-cores-and-32-threads

VideoCardz said:
As part of the Investors Meeting 2022 event Intel demoed its first engineering sample of Raptor Lake CPU. The system was equipped with a 24 core and 32 thread processor utilizing the hybrid architecture of Performance and Efficient cores. The company confirmed that their upcoming consumer CPU will feature up to 8 Performance cores and 16 Efficient Cores, which means it will offer twice as many ‘small’ cores as Alder Lake.
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Nice to see official confirmation, even though it's just confirming months old rumours. Double digit performance, though they didn't clarifiy if 10% IPC, or just 10% performance in MT tasks (thanks to extra cores). Looking forward to leaked benchmarks!

Oh, guaranteed Z690 support is also great to have officially confirmed :)
 
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I find "up to double digits" really... well, underwhelming, honestly. Double digit across the board, interesting. *Upto* double digits? So mostly single digit improvements, with one actual improvement somewhere?
 
q974739 said:
I find "up to double digits" really... well, underwhelming, honestly. Double digit across the board, interesting. *Upto* double digits? So mostly single digit improvements, with one actual improvement somewhere?
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Well, have to consider Intel alredy have the performance crown. 10% of top of that is still beter than we were used to getting from Intel's endless Skylake refreshes for years. We have AMD to thank for that.

Hope Zen3 refresh 5800X3D launches soon to stir up some excitement, though with 8 cores it's dead in the water vs ADL/RKL.
 
Dave2150 said:
Well, have to consider Intel alredy have the performance crown. 10% of top of that is still beter than we were used to getting from Intel's endless Skylake refreshes for years. We have AMD to thank for that.

Hope Zen3 refresh 5800X3D launches soon to stir up some excitement, though with 8 cores it's dead in the water vs ADL/RKL.
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Hmmm. Not convinced. Couple of factors - first, new zen will be on DDR5, so that will be a much more level playing field. Secondly, the new socket will give more power to play with. The new cache, etc. Then any IPC gains.

I think it's goign to be much more interesting than you think :)
 
Zen 3 with simple 3d cache destroy new Intel architecture, im quite sure Zen 4 will be even more optimised for 3dcache, we have yet to see if they will release 3dcache from beginning, it all depends how good is RPL. Cinebench performance means nothing if Zen 4 beats RPL in gaming. And unlike Zen 3, Zen 4 won't be "old" architecture, it will be released at similar time as RPL so it will have IPC beside more cache for gaming.
 
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Gondar said:
Zen 3 with simple 3d cache destroy new Intel architecture, im quite sure Zen 4 will be even more optimised for 3dcache, we have yet to see if they will release 3dcache from beginning, it all depends how good is RPL. Cinebench performance means nothing if Zen 4 beats RPL in gaming. And unlike Zen 3, Zen 4 won't be "old" architecture, it will be released at similar time as RPL so it will have IPC beside more cache for gaming.
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Zen 4 is unlikely to come with Vcache though atleast not at release so may not be much faster in games than Zen 3D.
 
Joxeon said:
Zen 4 is unlikely to come with Vcache though atleast not at release so may not be much faster in games than Zen 3D.
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not quite

what you'll likely see is models with and without v cache, that's what amd is doing with epyc

whether you have a 6800x and 6800x3D both for sale at launch I don't know
 
It all depends how good is RPL, seeing presentation from Intel and double digit performance(not IPC), and based on same 10nm node i'm not that optimistic for Intel, it will be only refined ADL.
 
Personally I'm hoping for an Extreme Edition part, like the good old days, 100% more expensive than the next SKU down on the list, but you get a black box and a 1% chance it'll clock better than the cheaper one :p
 
Gondar said:
Zen 3 with simple 3d cache destroy new Intel architecture, im quite sure Zen 4 will be even more optimised for 3dcache, we have yet to see if they will release 3dcache from beginning, it all depends how good is RPL. Cinebench performance means nothing if Zen 4 beats RPL in gaming. And unlike Zen 3, Zen 4 won't be "old" architecture, it will be released at similar time as RPL so it will have IPC beside more cache for gaming.
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AMD's own slides had a draw in half the games and slightly ahead in others. -and this was current Alderlake... not even vs the the golden-sample KS variant.

So not even AMD are claiming that Zen 3 Vcache will "crush" anything.

I also think it's interesting that AMD was mrketing their top chips as the "no compromise" CPU's that were at the top in gaming **and** productivity.

Then Intel drops the 12900k and AMD drops the "no compromises" marketing and tries to produce a CPU that is esentially a one-trick pony, and, depending on the 12900KS, may not even pull of that one trick.

How quickly the marketing language changes.
 
Twinz said:
AMD's own slides had a draw in half the games and slightly ahead in others. -and this was current Alderlake... not even vs the the golden-sample KS variant.

So not even AMD are claiming that Zen 3 Vcache will "crush" anything.

I also think it's interesting that AMD was mrketing their top chips as the "no compromise" CPU's that were at the top in gaming **and** productivity.

Then Intel drops the 12900k and AMD drops the "no compromises" marketing and tries to produce a CPU that is esentially a one-trick pony, and, depending on the 12900KS, may not even pull of that one trick.

How quickly the marketing language changes.
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Yeah, very important to note the marketing change. I think the price of the 5800X3D, along with it's MT performance, will be very poor compared to the competition. Plus it's release date of "Spring" would suggest we should be seeing leaked benchmarks/retail samples now, perhaps it's delayed to Q2.
 
Just saw this. No increase in P-Cores, don't see the point. They are pushing the multitasking hard. RIP the 12900KS I suppose.

They didn't even detail clock speed improvements or IPC, or confirm L3 cache amounts.

First time they've even officially mentioned Raptor Lake on a roadmap, I think:

https://www.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2022/02/2022-02-19-image-6.jpg

My impression is that they are trying to win the core war (multithreaded tasks) against Zen 4 in Q3-Q4 2022. They already know that Zen 4's performance per core will be significantly ahead though... And therefore, offer better value.

I'm guessing it will only offer L3 cache and clock speed improvements. 'Enhanced Overclocking features' seems to hint at higher turbo boost speeds.

One positive thing to say, is that it looks like Raptor Lake / 13th gen CPUs will work nicely in pretty much all existing LGA1700 boards.

Raptor Lake should do well in laptops in 2022, probably beating AMD as Zen 4 mobile appears to be coming in 2023. This makes sense as both laptop and tablet sales are way ahead of desktop PC sales
https://www.statista.com/statistics...forecast-for-tablets-laptops-and-desktop-pcs/
 
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Intel pushing hard it seems, as fast as Raptor lake arrives it's not far from replaced by meteor lake - I guess like the dinosaurs, Raptor lake will be made extinction by the Meteor :D
 
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