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How would it be a "big win" It's already expected as a drop in upgrade.
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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments
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The only big win i would see is if Meteor Lake was a drop in upgrade, but it looks like it will be a new socket again.
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It would be great if Intel could manage a 3rd upgrade on what is an expensive socket in the first place. It is really wishful thinking though given the history we all know, two generations at best.
Marketing isn't performance, a few people round here should probably learn that, especially those who bought into the 11900K/Rocket Lake fiasco, the only thing that matters when you are talking marketing is which one is the most believable until you can get empirical data for more than one source. or even better test it out for your own use case.
The most interesting thing I can think of about Raptor Lake will be the price point they hit once they have Zen4 parts to contend with, a 13700K could look like bad value if they get it wrong.
Marketing isn't performance, a few people round here should probably learn that, especially those who bought into the 11900K/Rocket Lake fiasco, the only thing that matters when you are talking marketing is which one is the most believable until you can get empirical data for more than one source. or even better test it out for your own use case.
The most interesting thing I can think of about Raptor Lake will be the price point they hit once they have Zen4 parts to contend with, a 13700K could look like bad value if they get it wrong.
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MTL is a new arch on a new node. Being on a different socket is fine especially if it comes with a notable bump in performance. No one is forcing one to upgrade.
As for zen4 vs rpl, given that we haven't seen any reasonable leaks of Zen4 or RPL QS tier chips, it's baseless speculation.
As for zen4 vs rpl, given that we haven't seen any reasonable leaks of Zen4 or RPL QS tier chips, it's baseless speculation.
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Solely for a hobbyist like yourself maybe, but working system development, it is a constant battle, with new hardware that needs testing ratifying and it's just more work for no real purpose other than making Intel more cash. Even the motherboard vendors we work with get fed up of it, as the development cycle never ends, and supporting the old products costs them a heck of a lot of money, and those costs inevitably get passed on.
Everyone seems to be certain that Zen 4 is going to be collosally faster than AMD's current gen. Alder Lake is already significantly faster than what AMD have out right now at the equivalentish price points, so for Zen 4 to make Raptor Lake look slow, its going to have to be a big jump for AMD.
Im not saying that isnt possible at all, but everyone seems so sure of this massive leap for AMD (ie that it will be so good it will be loads faster than even Raptor Lake).
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Agreed, there will be very little in it for gaming I reckon.
Zen 4 will probably still make the most sense for anyone doing a new build once both are released though.
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I don't think Zen 4 is going to make Raptor Lake look slow, that would be nice but even if it did i think we all know AMD would charge stupid money for it.
Not going to happen, 90% likely i would say. They will probably be close ish again.
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If raptor is ~10-20% faster than alder lake then i would suspect it would be roughly inline with performance with zen 4. Then its going to come down to a bunch of ancilliary factors between the two like price, platform maturity, release timing and availability etc
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And the fact that Raptor Lake also has a DDR4 controller might actually swing it if their are still shortages/high prices.
True. A large % of ADL owners use DDR4, this will mean a far cheaper upgrade to RPL (if they feel the need) rather than Zen4. Then again, do we 100% know Zen4 won't also support DDR4? Would be a obvious bonus for it to do so, for AMD fans/customers.
What are you basing Zen4 performance on? We've not had benchmarks yet, it could be another Bulldozer scenario, or could be 50% faster than RPL, all unknown currently.
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If it did I think we'd have heard by now tbf.
For me it is advantage that Zen 4 have ddr5 only controller, that means no compromises, it will work on higher speed, support more modes etc, and because im buying new platform it isn't problem to spend little more money to get new ddr standard that will drive 4-5 next cpu generations at least.
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Intel show off Raptorlake and also confirm it to be socket compatible with Alderlake systems so it's a simple bios update and drop in upgrade, Confirmed to be shipping in the 2nd half of this year.
Info starts at 1 hour 39 minutes.
I'll put my 12900K into my little HTPC
Info starts at 1 hour 39 minutes.
I'll put my 12900K into my little HTPC
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