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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments
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Soldato
A premature decision given actual real-world silicon from both companies hasn't been tested and compared yet.
Soldato
Aye, hoping it going to be a decent fight between the two.
Soldato
Need them to compete. We what both companies do when their competition is lacking.
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Looking like a decent enough upgrade if your already rocking a Z690.
But I wouldn't buy into it from scratch, not unless your happy with a EOL socket that has nothing left to give.
Unsure why you would switch to a dead platform if starting from scratch unless you only upgrade every 5 years of course
Dead platform?
My 9900k is coming up to four years of age and has years of life left in it yet. Heck, even my 3770k (12+ years and counting) still does pretty well in most games.
Let's be honest, apart from a few very specific titles, most games are GPU, not CPU, bound. Any platform bought today will last years, especially with a GPU swap a few years down the line. No developer is developing for "high end PC platform" anymore; PS5/XBOX Series is the target, with more scalable - but not mandatory - high-end graphics on PC.
Yes its a dead platform as there will be no more upgrades on it after RPL. Please read my full statement though i specifically said unless you upgrade every 5 years, then obviously its a different story
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It's one of the most tiring comments.
His 9900k (esp if tuned) was top dog during those years. The AMD upgrade path was 2700x/3700x/5800x during that time. The 2700x and 3700x would get stomped and the 5800x trades blows.
So yay! you got an upgrade platform while sucking on crap performace for years, spending money on upgrading the cpu each gen until you're finally competitive in year 3.
In reality, he was smart for buying the 9900k on a "dead platform" back in the day and enjoyed that performance every day.
His 9900k (esp if tuned) was top dog during those years. The AMD upgrade path was 2700x/3700x/5800x during that time. The 2700x and 3700x would get stomped and the 5800x trades blows.
So yay! you got an upgrade platform while sucking on crap performace for years, spending money on upgrading the cpu each gen until you're finally competitive in year 3.
In reality, he was smart for buying the 9900k on a "dead platform" back in the day and enjoyed that performance every day.
Again. I said if you dont plan on upgrading for 5 years then it makes sense. Jeez people do not like reading complete posts do they
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Don't bother @cliffy you know this lot endlessly misconstrue wording just to pick a fight. If you'd said "dead-end" platform or "EOL" platform they couldn't whinge back. I bet you a fiver though these same folk were crying about 5800X3D launching on AM4, given it's also a dead end with no upgrade path.
Nonsense. A 3090 or above has horrible minimum fps values in modern games with a 9900k. Once next gen GPU's release, this will be exacerbated.
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Dave just buys expensive hardware and has no idea how to tune it. I’d take him as seriously as some clown like jay2cents….
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I have seen GOG's rants on how "you must tune your system!". He also implies that benchmarking stock-vs-stock is missleading, but I disagree.
I like to tinker with my system, but I want to know what the *guaranteed* performance is from these parts.
The tuning is just playing the silicone lottery and reporting what you found on the scratch-off ticket you bought from each company. Even if one company tends to have more winning tickets, there's still no guarantees
I have also found that RAM tuning can be a real PITA to nail down timings that are truly stable. I've had tuned timings pass every benchmark and stress test I through at them only to crash out of an actual game weeks later. The way my driving sims penalize bailing in the middle of a race means a PC crash can result in the loss of multiple weeks'-worth of progress.
Stock vs stock is what manufacturers promise. It's the performance level where manufacturers put their warranty where their mouth is. It's useful information.
I like to tinker with my system, but I want to know what the *guaranteed* performance is from these parts.
The tuning is just playing the silicone lottery and reporting what you found on the scratch-off ticket you bought from each company. Even if one company tends to have more winning tickets, there's still no guarantees
I have also found that RAM tuning can be a real PITA to nail down timings that are truly stable. I've had tuned timings pass every benchmark and stress test I through at them only to crash out of an actual game weeks later. The way my driving sims penalize bailing in the middle of a race means a PC crash can result in the loss of multiple weeks'-worth of progress.
Stock vs stock is what manufacturers promise. It's the performance level where manufacturers put their warranty where their mouth is. It's useful information.
What does it matter buying into a dead platform if the cost savings mean it'll still work out cheaper than the price of a new board?.
Just putting off DDR5 for a couple of years will see a big savings on the higher performance dimms and also you can buy a cheaper board with less features if your only planning to keep it for a couple of years vs say 5 years on AM5 which might warrant a more heavily featured and costly board.
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Having a platform supported for a longtime only makes financial sense,if the CPU upgrade path cost is reasonable compared to the competition.
Guess it makes sense then seeing as Intels prices are going up
The boards and ram are cheaper though and also MT performance on RPL is much higher than what AMD are offering especially lower down the stack, the 13600k for instance is looking like it will offer over 60% more MT performance than a 7600X but cost 16% more.