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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

I do find it strange though why all in blue suddenly shout about Intel benchmark leaks from the roof tops when just 2 short years ago Intel themselves said benchmarks do not matter
Changing the goalposts to best suit your narrative is commonplace, nothing strange about it.

Benchmarks only matter when you can "win" them. Comet Lake and Rocket Lake were literal humiliations for Intel in every metric that matter, and even some that didn't, so suddenly "benchmarks don't matter" and only "real world performance" should be considered. And by real world performance Intel mean Z-zip and PowerPoint.

But Alder Lake sees hugely impressive gains, surpassing Zen 3 to such a degree it's casts a shadow over Zen 4, and lo and behold, benchmarks are suddenly important again.
 
AMD have always used Cinebench up till this release where they decided to swap to geekbench as cinebench results are not favourable.

Even the gaming results show a tie and a loss in 2 of the 4 games tested with most of the gains coming for a single game.
Yeah but AMD did not say benchmarks were irrelevant. Now as well with teh news of intels up to 20% price increases from Q4 not to sure now is the time to be going Intel
 
Even the gaming results show a tie and a loss in 2 of the 4 games tested with most of the gains coming for a single game.
You're honestly using "AMD open admit they lose out to their competition in some aspects" as a retort to Intel literally flip-flopping and changing the goalposts?

You're trolling, yeah? You can't actually post this in all seriousness.
 
AMD have always used Cinebench up till this release where they decided to swap to geekbench as cinebench results are not favourable.

Even the gaming results show a tie and a loss in 2 of the 4 games tested with most of the gains coming for a single game.
Your argument will kinda be destroyed if more gaming benchmarks show even a small advantage for the 7700X / 7900X vs the 12900K.

AMD was 1% behind in GTAV- oMg cLEaR wIn fOr iNtEl.
 
Your argument will kinda be destroyed if more gaming benchmarks show even a small advantage for the 7700X / 7900X vs the 12900K.

Intel was 1% behind in GTAV- oMg cLEaR wIn fOr iNtEl.
Not really since ADL is almost a year old now so you'd expect newer CPUs to perform better so a small advantage isn't really destroying is it especially when you consider the higher platform costs. Im pretty sure if in a years time the meteor lake reveal shows 4 games with 2 being a tie and a loss you'd be all over it saying what a fail it is.
 
Well, Intel's locked CPUs aren't going to come out until next year, and the same for B760 mid tier boards. So, I think AMD will offer better value until then. Intel's mid range 13600/13700 locked CPUs should do well, but I think the top end CPUs will face tough competition vs the X3D Zen 4 CPUs. It's possible that AMD will underproduce these CPUs, due to production limitations.

Meteor Lake should offer the best single core performance, assuming an IPC increase + higher clocks, but only appealing as a new build. It will interesting to see if they release desktop CPUs in Q4 2023, I hope they do, but it's not confirmed yet.
 
Well, Intel's locked CPUs aren't going to come out until next year, and the same for B760 mid tier boards. So, I think AMD will offer better value until then. Intel's mid range 13600/13700 locked CPUs should do well, but I think the top end CPUs will face tough competition vs the X3D Zen 4 CPUs.
I think you're forgetting that Intel will have discounted 600 series boards and the option of DDR4 which is half the price of any decent DDR5. You also have to remember a CPU like the 13600k will offer more cores, threads and likely more all round performance than zen 4 does at around its price point which in itself adds value for money.
 
I don't think they will be producing and selling old chipsets for less money, why would they do that? Also, lots of people want DDR5 now.

Additionally, the E-cores aren't free, they will end up increasing retail prices.
 
Yeah and it performs virtually the same as DDR4 for twice the cost, besides anyone whose built a PC in the last 6 years would likely already have DDR4 so the ram won't cost anything.
 
Lots of people building PCs are going to be buying DDR5 (just as many have already been doing), so for these people, the question is AMD platform, or Intel?

As prices fall further, the cost of DDR5 will become less and less of an issue to buyers, and people know DDR5 modules will work in PCs for many years to come. People also know that LGA1700 motherboards are a dead end, and that the 13th gen is the same architecture as the 12th, but clocked higher.

I suspect that many buyers are fed up with having to buy a new motherboard and rebuilding a PC, every generation or 2. Lots of people will probably choose a 6 core 7600X (plenty of performance for most users) on release of Zen4 and AM5, and just upgrade every couple of years, the total cost of this will be quite low, and no doubt there will be cheaper CPUs, like a '7600', or '7700' further down the road (as was the case for Zen 3). The other nice thing, is that you will be able to keep using the same AM4/AM5 cooler for future CPU upgrades.

So you can wish all you want that people stick with Intel, but ultimately, some real competition is good news for consumers, and helps to reduce prices. Hopefully, Intel will be forced into designing Meteor Lake's CPU socket to support upgrades for a longer period? Intel hasn't been offering CPU upgrades with a die shrink or new architecture, but more and more, this is what system builders/upgraders will want (e.g. meaningful drop in upgrades).
 
Yeah and it performs virtually the same as DDR4 for twice the cost

Way to go, letting us know you did not even watch the video. But since you say its twice the cost, let us know when you find $21 16GB of DDR4 memory that performs the same as the DDR5 kit HUB used which cost $42.
HUB's kit: 16gb DDR5 4800 CL40, cost $42. And it beat 16gb DDR4 3200 CL14
 
Yup, 4800 MT/s DDR5 8GB modules are cheap now, esp. in kits:

Prices generally £80-£90.

It's appealing when compared to DDR4 3200 MT/s.

5600 MT/s 8GB module kits available for <£105.

Decent 6000 MT/s 8GB module kits available for <£120.

In my view, the 16GB capacity modules are still pricy, particularly @5600 MT/s, hopefully we will see price drops this year!
 
Yeah and it performs virtually the same as DDR4 for twice the cost..
If you are not even prepared to read the title of the video, let alone watch it, there's nothing more I can do. Still, if you know better than Steve at HUB, please point me towards a video of your test results.

Long story short: DDR5 is now much more competitively priced and both AMD and Intel have made it clear that you don't need crazy high-end DDR5 to get great results from their upcoming CPUs.
 
If you are not even prepared to read the title of the video, let alone watch it, there's nothing more I can do. Still, if you know better than Steve at HUB, please point me towards a video of your test results.
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If you’re building new for RPL K sku’s, obviously go with DDR5. If you’re on DDR4 with ADL, you’re better off maxing out G1 which should be between 4000 - 4200mhz on you current setup. That’ll be a large jump over 3200mhz since the mem controller will also see performance scaling at 1:1 ratio.

No reason to get a new board and kit.
 
Yeah this time round you'd be stupid to buy into a new system with DDR4, DDR5 regardless of being an extreme tweaker, or not, has hit the price where unless you are literally on the £300 for a whole system budget is the best choice to make. Also people upgrading from an older board, even if they own DDR4 RAM, would best off selling a board/CPU/RAM bundle and buying the rest new.
 
Yep. A good budget build with a ton of performance would be buying a 12600k and a ddr4 board from people with an upgrade itch.

You might just be able do that within your £300 figure and reuse your ddr4. That’ll be a smoking deal for those on a budget.
 

Just quick search maybe can find cheaper, found 16gb ddr5 4800 MHz for £78.77, if I was building system now I wouldn't think about ddr4 , I have ddr4 currently but still if building next gen intel I would go with ddr5 and not such big deal now AMD only being DDR5

At the start when alder lake was released it made sense because how much inflated ddr5 was not the case anymore

Here you can see how even the cheapest ddr5 performs

 
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