RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[Joxeon]

So AMD’s best card is two times slower in RT vs Nvidia’s. Sad times.

Expect next gen NV to cost two times more than it already does. Gotta love the lack of competition…

If you want better competition then buy an AMD GPU, the more people that buy the bigger their RnD budget.

Rewarding nvidia for price hikes that is what keeps pushing up the price.

When the 1080ti came out GPU prices had been gradually rising for 10 years but then the 2080ti arrived for over 1k and people bought it so next came the 3090 for £1400 and people bought that too and now we are up to £1700.

People also oddly moaned that the 3080 was either too cheap "perhaps forgetting that is what top end cards had normally cost" or to close to the 3090 in performance so this time we get double the performance gap and double the price.

 

[arknor]

If you want better competition then buy an AMD GPU, the more people that buy the bigger their RnD budget.

Seems they would be better of buying intel. cos everyone is gaming at 60fps these days anyway right

 

[Tinek]

ofcourse they do... nothing about pushing games forward and getting out of the boring stale graphics of the last 5-7 years, held back by cards with poor RT performance.

My point stands, for majority of cases.

 

[DeliciousStorage]

With the shortage anyway anyone who regrets buying a 4090 can sell it for what they paid

What shortage?

 

[arknor]

What shortage?

The one where almost everywhere is out of stock apart from the cards no one wants... like palit.... and the one where FE cards aren't in stock either

and in this thread https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...ews-no-competitor-discussion.18960249/page-40
you'll see posts from gibbo such as

Nothing yet I am afraid, most partners were saying middle of November,

Anyone who thinks 4090 owners are stuck with cards they wish they didn't buy is deluded, they could stick them on the MM or ebay for what they paid

 

[DeliciousStorage]

The one where almost everywhere is out of stock apart from the cards no one wants... like palit.... and the one where FE cards aren't in stock either

and in this thread https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...ews-no-competitor-discussion.18960249/page-40
you'll see posts from gibbo such as



Anyone who thinks 4090 owners are stuck with cards they wish they didn't buy is deluded, they could stick them on the MM or ebay for what they paid

Why does it matter if particular models are out of stock if they all perform the same? They're not selling out because they're overpriced. You'd have to be nuts to buy a £1.8k used GPU with no warranty when you can get them new for the same price.

 

[arknor]

Why does it matter if particular models are out of stock if they all perform the same? They're not selling out because they're overpriced. You'd have to be nuts to buy a £1.8k used GPU with no warranty when you can get them new for the same price.

so there's no shortage https://www.overclockers.co.uk/?query=4090 ?
OCUK are only buying palit and zoltac out of choice? gibbo saying partners are saying mid november is a lie?

and anyone who thinks these cards from AMD are a let down must be a disgruntled 4090 owner stuck with a card they couldn't possibly sell for what they paid.

whatever makes you happy

 

[DeliciousStorage]

so there's no shortage https://www.overclockers.co.uk/?query=4090 ?

Nope, plenty in stock including the MSI SUPRIM. The Palit cards are good, it could just be that they managed to secure higher stock numbers for those particular cards rather than nobody wanting them.

gibbo saying partners are saying mid november is a lie?

Strawman.

and anyone who thinks these cards from AMD are a let down must be a disgruntled 4090 owner stuck with a card they couldn't possibly sell for what they paid.

whatever makes you happy

I never said that. I was simply questioning that there is a shortage of 4090 cards and that you could sell a used 4090 for the same price you bought it.

 

[rumple9]

Literally the ONLY argument you have is RT nothing else.

The bonus in RT over AMD is not worth £500 -£700 that's all there is to it.

Still hardly any games actually use it of which the ones that do almost all of them will at least hit 60 with the exception of CyberPunk. Which is enough for Single Player at least.

By the time RT is big enough to warrent spending SIGNIFICANTLY more money on it there will be. 8000 series and 9000 series so if you want to complain about it then feel free.

As it stands I play mostly online games and of that FPS I will not be using RT that just won't be happening.

The non RT performance at guestimate levels before reviews looks to be within 10-15% if not even closer for that price it is significantly better.

This looks to have RT closer to that of a 3090ti at least going by AMDs own slides.

The 7900 is cheaper than the 3090ti.

I would be getting roughy the same RT performance for less than what the 3090ti costs and close to 4090 non RT performance for less than a 3090ti.

There is no scenario where you're right here, unless you only play the one or two single player games that use RT and nothing else.

The 7900XTX is incredible value for what it is, (assumption being we don't get scalped by retailers) and you're not going to convince me otherwise .

Frankly I hope Nvidia doesn't lower their prices just because it will amuse me listening to you trying to defend them.

How do you make this out? The 3090ti can currently be had for £1149. The XTX with vat and all the other extras will be c.£1500, more than the 4080 but less than the 4090 which seems about right in terms of leaked benchmarks.

I like many others don't care a jot about raytracing but I do care about DLSS, which is where AMD fails because few games use FSR, whereas the former is in nearly all new games. The only good thing I can say about the AMD offering is the low power consumption

 

[andybird123]

How do you make this out? The 3090ti can currently be had for £1149. The XTX with vat and all the other extras will be c.£1500, more than the 4080 but less than the 4090 which seems about right in terms of leaked benchmarks.

I like many others don't care a jot about raytracing but I do care about DLSS, which is where AMD fails because few games use FSR, whereas the former is in nearly all new games. The only good thing I can say about the AMD offering is the low power consumption

how are you getting to 1500, the 4090 FE is $1599 / £1699, so how does $999 become £1500 in any sort of fair comparison?
like if someone really wants to spend $600 for raytracing then thats up to them, but claiming its a no brainer because its actually only £100 seems a bit disingenuous

I'm not buying either, so don't have any skin in this particular game

 

[Grim5]

I don't like this guy but I have to give him props for admitting he was wrong, not many tech theorists and leakers have said it

 

[chris85oc]

To sum up :

AMD fanboys : ‘RT only matters when we say so, basically when AMD finally catches up to Nvidia or beats them’

Like duh people hate on AMD for being slow to progress. It’s not ONLY about forcing NVidia to be cheaper, it’s also about advancing graphics overall. You hate on consoles for being slow after 1st 2 years of existing and dragging overall game graphics down for the next 4 years? Well you are doing the same when giving AMD a free pass to be just ‘acceptable’ while also trying to price their products as close to ‘getting away with it’ as possible.

If you want better competition then buy an AMD GPU, the more people that buy the bigger their RnD budget.

Rewarding nvidia for price hikes that is what keeps pushing up the price.

When the 1080ti came out GPU prices had been gradually rising for 10 years but then the 2080ti arrived for over 1k and people bought it so next came the 3090 for £1400 and people bought that too and now we are up to £1700.

People also oddly moaned that the 3080 was either too cheap "perhaps forgetting that is what top end cards had normally cost" or to close to the 3090 in performance so this time we get double the performance gap and double the price.

Why tf would i do that? Do i look like charity? Neither company is your friend. They have enough budgets and they’re big corporations. This line of thinking is wrong… i buy what’s best for me and complain about what i want. I am the customer, this ain’t the 1900s and you’re not supporting small local businesses. Again, wtf?

 

[Grim5]

7900xtx side profile in a case

I must say it looks real pretty

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588286921947561984

 

[Purgatory]

With the shortage anyway anyone who regrets buying a 4090 can sell it for what they paid and wait to buy an AMD card if they really wanted to... ya'll be acting like they threw money down a wishing well or something

You must be having a laugh ? What shortages ? There has not been any shortages since release, everyday you could buy them from somewhere and they were deliberately drip feeding them at all retailers for the first week and then gave up when they realised no one was buying them at their scalped prices and even today you can see them adjusting up and down the prices and even more than once in the same day because they are realising this is a fail of a series and the 2020-2022 scalping times have come to an end and customers are not falling for the stupid pricing.

Never seen so many retailers shooting themselves in the foot and alienating their customers.

 

[arknor]

so how does $999 become £1500 in any sort of fair comparison?

+vat
+ currency exchange rip off
+ markup for living in Britain

bet you will be lucky to see one under £1300 probably closer to 1400

AMD don't release their own card in EU? so people are left with AIBs?

7900xtx side profile in a case

Looks ugly as hell from that side profile tbh

about the same shape as a pair of glasses, deal with it

I don't like this guy but I have to give him props for admitting he was wrong, not many tech theorists and leakers have said it

who cares about random youtubers either way, most of them know less than the average person on this forum when it comes to knowledge of pc components, they just regurgitate what they see on some website and what they think will go down well with their viewers.

only the ones who do in-depth stuff and show real knowledge are worth listening to, the rest are basically alexa/cortana reading from a website.


until they aree in real peoples hands there's no point guessing the performance, no one knows the conditions AMD are using, 70% faster than last gen when we used a last gen cpu with the old card LOL etc... no one knows how much of what any marketing says is actual facts and not BS like AMD version of 4k being less pixels than what actual 4k is

 

[Purgatory]

What shortage?

The shortages in his head of brain cells.

 

[brostradamus]

PC world has gotten the same comment from AMD as Hardware Canucks

"Radeon RX 7900 XTX is designed to go against 4080, but we don’t have benchmarks numbers on 4080. That’s the primary reason why you didnt see any NVIDIA comparison from us. The $999 card is not a 4090 competitor, which costs 60% more, this is a 4080 competitor.

— Frank Azor to PCWorld"

frank azor is going to lose whatever little credibility he had.. yes sure tell them i named my sku 7900 but have been always aiming at the 4080..
reminds me of the time when vega 64 was supposed to suddenly compete with 1080 and not the 1080 ti

I don't like this guy but I have to give him props for admitting he was wrong, not many tech theorists and leakers have said it

people crying over how buyers want amd to perform well because they could buy a nv gou cheaper simply miss the fact that amd loses a lot of sales opportunity due to higher probability of stock out because they just dont make enough

 

[Purgatory]

The one where almost everywhere is out of stock apart from the cards no one wants... like palit.... and the one where FE cards aren't in stock either

and in this thread https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...ews-no-competitor-discussion.18960249/page-40
you'll see posts from gibbo such as



Anyone who thinks 4090 owners are stuck with cards they wish they didn't buy is deluded, they could stick them on the MM or ebay for what they paid

Starting to get buyers remorse are we ?

 

[Purgatory]

I don't like this guy but I have to give him props for admitting he was wrong, not many tech theorists and leakers have said it

All he cares about is clicks, wrong or right or made up topics ... He's a clown that tries to get clicks and fool people into sending him money on there, he even has paypal links now , youtube doesn't allow that and wants any money being sent to creators to go threw youtube not paypal or any other service. Can report him and his channel will be banned.

They are all wrong MLID , Coretek, the mr hello ladies and gentlemen drunk and our regular BS leaker Kopite. They are all just making rubbish up and some will not admit they are even wrong and delete the tweets and videos and make up BS saying see I was right because of this and that BS.

If people don't realise it now with the AMD 7900XTX real specs and real performance then people never will and keep clicking fiction on their channels.

 

[arknor]

The shortages in his head of brain cells.

so it's not a shortage when the majority of 4090 are "sold out" I checked 3 different websites and only palit and zoltac are really in stock...

how is that not a shortage? FE card sold out... not a shortage apparently.

nice personal insult. can't handle the FACTS that it wouldn't be hard to sell a 4090 for what people paid... especially if it's FE

Starting to get buyers remorse are we ?

I'd have buyers remorse if RDNA3 was anything but a total let down, not even trying to compete anymore.... same with CPUs just settling for second place.

Even the most optimistic "guestimates" of performance are putting them 20-30% behind a 4090


another generation or 3 of games limited by consoles powered by AMD second rate GPUs