RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[Purgatory]

so it;'s not a shortage when the majority of 4090 are "sold out" I checked 3 different websites and only palit and zoltac are really in stock...

how is that not a shortage? FE card sold out... not a shortage apparently.

nice personal insult. can;t handle the FACTS

Nope because most of the models "sold out" have not even been released yet or the AIBS shipped them ... something can't be sold out when it never sold.<---- here is a fact for you.

You are insulting our intelligence and the facts of what is happening and making rubbish up to troll people. No idea what your agenda is but it must be some weird fetish you have and get kicks out of it... From the thread with melting connectors to this now.. Really childish and insulting on your part.. so don't play innocent, cry wolf or become the victim.

 

[Shaz12]

Literally the ONLY argument you have is RT nothing else.

The bonus in RT over AMD is not worth £500 -£700 that's all there is to it.

Still hardly any games actually use it of which the ones that do almost all of them will at least hit 60 with the exception of CyberPunk. Which is enough for Single Player at least.

By the time RT is big enough to warrent spending SIGNIFICANTLY more money on it there will be. 8000 series and 9000 series so if you want to complain about it then feel free.

As it stands I play mostly online games and of that FPS I will not be using RT that just won't be happening.

The non RT performance at guestimate levels before reviews looks to be within 10-15% if not even closer for that price it is significantly better.

This looks to have RT closer to that of a 3090ti at least going by AMDs own slides.

The 7900 is cheaper than the 3090ti.

I would be getting roughy the same RT performance for less than what the 3090ti costs and close to 4090 non RT performance for less than a 3090ti.

There is no scenario where you're right here, unless you only play the one or two single player games that use RT and nothing else.

The 7900XTX is incredible value for what it is, (assumption being we don't get scalped by retailers) and you're not going to convince me otherwise .

Frankly I hope Nvidia doesn't lower their prices just because it will amuse me listening to you trying to defend them.

We are literally in halo card territory north of a grand. At that price, the card should be the best of the best at everything including RT. AMD kept bragging on about DP 2.1 with 4k 480hz and 8k ultrawide when talking a out these cards which are super niche use cases. Yet that is who their target audience is.

RT is there in almost all AAA single player games released last year. Hell even AMD sponsored games have RT in a limited form.

When something costs above a grand the expectation is it has to be the best of the best. Nothing else matters.

 

[arknor]

Nope because most of the models "sold out" have not even been released yet or the AIBS shipped them ... something can't be sold out when it never sold.<---- here is a fact for you.

they havent? people on these forums have the cards

most AIB 4090 never sold

what an absolute deluded clown added to block for being an utter troll with no rational thinking and hardwired bias.

 

[Shaz12]

While £1,900 isn't a value purchase, £1200 (assuming for the 7900XTX) isn't either. Not sure where all those value arguments are coming from. The 4090 Ti will likely cost £2,500 and will be 15% faster. Does that make the 4090 a value purchase and does it get the excuse of having weak RT support (hypothetically) because relative to 4090 Ti it's just so much value?

 

[Purgatory]

they havent? people on these forums have the cards

most AIB 4090 never sold

what an absolute deluded clown added to block for being an utter troll with no rational thinking and hardwired bias.

Nope I gave you a fact that you can't fight back, because a fact is a fact.. Don't play the victim, you set yourself up for a fall.

Yes I'm a clown but this type...




While you are this type...

 

[arknor]

While £1,900 isn't a value purchase, £1200 (assuming for the 7900XTX) isn't either. Not sure where all those value arguments are coming from. The 4090 Ti will likely cost £2,500 and will be 15% faster. Does that make the 4090 a value purchase and does it get the excuse of having bad RT support (hypothetically) because relative to 4090 Ti it's just so much value?

no one was talking value, but you can't criticise RDNA3 for being a let down with a lack of RT cores without being a "4090 owner with buyers remorse"
even though stock shortages would have allowed anyone with buyers remorse to recuperate the money anyway.

apparently "out of stock" isn't a shortage though and it's just disgruntled nvidia users who wasted 2k attacking poor little old AMD anytime someone isn't praising the cards like it's the second coming of Christ.


No one cares about RT apparently even though it was one of the biggest gripes everyone has about the difference between AMD and Nvidia last gen... now suddenly because AMD are crap at RT again it doesn't matter, no one wants it, no games support it.

people only care about competitive games like fartnight and overbore according to people in this thread, the types of games where people would turn it off anyway for a competitive advantage.

AMD should bring out a card that only has negative texture bias clamp capable of only 256 colours since competitive gaming is all anyone cares about, what's all this 4k nonsense? competitive gaming is done at 1080.


I bet if you looked enough at these peoples post history you would find them saying the total opposite about RT until RDNA 3 specs came out

 

[Troezar]

Nope I gave you a fact that you can't fight back with because a fact is a fact.. Don't play the victim, you set yourself up for a fall.

Have some compassion, I think he's just been sacked by Elon Musk

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

apparently "out of stock" isn't a shortage though

Nvidia have explicitly told their shareholders that they are managing supply to try to keep prices up. If it's a shortage, it's an artificial one designed to prop up prices.

 

[von Humboldt]

Did any sources reveal how long the actual XTX PCB is? The entire card is listed as 287mm, but the PCB looks like it stops well short of the shroud... I'd love to finally do a watercooled build in my Silverstone FT02, but I may not have enough room once a rad is installed.

 

[Purgatory]

Have some compassion, I think he's just been sacked by Elon Musk

Karma has no compassion. What goes around comes around in the end....

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

We are literally in halo card territory north of a grand. At that price, the card should be the best of the best at everything including RT.

By your own (broken) logic, the 4080 needs also to be the best of the best at everything, and it's a real disappointment it doesn't beat the 4090, so nobody should buy it and nvidia are a massive failure.


And are you *still * harping on about how a card that costs 60% as much needs to beat the 4090 or it's worthless? Wow you must love the taste of Jensen's plums!

AMD have now said themselves that the XTX is taking aim at the 4080. It looks like it might well outperform the 4080 in raster, though lag in RT performance, and at a lower price. They don't have a card to compete with the 4090, and most people aren't going to give a flying *** about that, because the 4090 is stupidly expensive.

I'm sorry *you* didn't get the halo card you wanted, but that doesn't mean that the new AMD cards are any less appealing to other people, who actually look at things like price/performance and have a budget in mind when they buy PC hardware.

 

[Tykey]

Lol at the all the bickering here at daft o clock in the morning don't u all sleep or are u early risers like me?
Lol at OC price for the Suprim....OverScalpers
I think they're all at it though, a competitors site has marked up their 4090 stock afaik.
I suppose if u ran or worked for a business you'd just wanna maximize profit too, no?

 

[Shaz12]

By your own (broken) logic, the 4080 needs also to be the best of the best at everything, and it's a real disappointment it doesn't beat the 4090, so nobody should buy it and nvidia are a massive failure.


And are you *still * harping on about how a card that costs 60% as much needs to beat the 4090 or it's worthless? Wow you must love the taste of Jensen's plums!

AMD have now said themselves that the XTX is taking aim at the 4080. It looks like it might well outperform the 4080 in raster, though lag in RT performance, and at a lower price. They don't have a card to compete with the 4090, and most people aren't going to give a flying *** about that, because the 4090 is stupidly expensive.

I'm sorry *you* didn't get the halo card you wanted, but that doesn't mean that the new AMD cards are any less appealing to other people, who actually look at things like price/performance and have a budget in mind when they buy PC hardware.

The point I am making is when you are paying over a grand, making the value argument is really silly. 60% of the price when you are well over 1k isn't saying much. Basically AMD and Nvidia have slowly conditioned you into thinking a grand is normal for high end GPUs.
Why pay that much and compromise on a key feature? Or are you saying a grand is chump change?

I never said the 4080 isn't a disappointment. It's a crap GPU whose sole purpose is to upsell the 4090 in an effort to bump up the ASP. But 4080 being crap doesn't mean the 7900XTX despite being much better in raster isn't still a disappointment.

The weird thing about this generation is that if you want a no compromise product at £1,200 you are simply not getting it unlike last gen where the 3080 was providing that experience at the same price.

Let's not talk about percentages here otherwise I could just go ahead and say 4090 would cost around 65% of a 4090 Ti yet deliver 85% of the performance making it a complete bargain.

If you look at this from a generational perspective, you are not getting the best at paying a grand which you could get last time.

 

[0h_no_not_again]

Nope I gave you a fact that you can't fight back, because a fact is a fact.. Don't play the victim, you set yourself up for a fall.

Yes I'm a clown but this type...




While you are this type...

Hahaha. Just an observation, suggesting you're like Einstein is almost always a bad idea. It makes you look a bit immodest, even if the association with a great mind wasn't the intention.

 

[0h_no_not_again]

Nvidia have explicitly told their shareholders that they are managing supply to try to keep prices up. If it's a shortage, it's an artificial one designed to prop up prices.

+1

There is a shortage, it just happens to be an artificial one to ensure high prices are maintained.

 

[Troezar]

+1

There is a shortage, it just happens to be an artificial one to ensure high prices are maintained.

By all accounts also a huge amount of 3XXX series stock to shift that no-one wanted at the inflated prices. I think they're out of touch, everything has gone up except wages. A GPU is a luxury item, people will prioritize bills, food and fuel first.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

60% of the price when you are well over 1k isn't saying much

So there's no real difference between 1053 ($999 at current exchange rates + 20% VAT) and 1649? LOL. This is the most ridiculous thing I've read for a while.
The point you are making is a pile of poo I'm afraid.

Why pay that much and compromise on a key feature? Or are you saying a grand is chump change?

Yes, why *does* anyone buy anything but the most expensive card? Life must be a real mystery to you.

you are not getting the best at paying a grand which you could get last time.

No you damn well couldn't. The 3090 launched at 1399. The 3080 with 10GB of RAM was not 'the best' by any stretch of the imagination *and for most of the previous generation you couldn't source one of those for under a grand anyway*. Have you got qualifications in mental gymnastics?

The weird thing about this generation is that if you want a no compromise product at £1,200

1. You couldn't get a "no compromise product" at 1200 quid last generation.
2. The 4090 isn't "no compromise" product either. Can it do 4k/165, full RT, full quality with no upscaling on all games? No? Then it's less than what I want out of a graphics card and every card on the market is a compromise between available features and money.

Honestly mate, you're talking rubbish. AMD have introduced two products at the high end of the market, which will outperform much of nvidia's lineup in raster and lag in RT. It's good news for all buyers whoever they go with because its actual competition. If you want to rub yourself off over your 4090, don't let me stop you. The rest of us can still celebrate progress at more reasonable prices. And yes, 1049 is more reasonable than 1649, whatever you think on the matter, and it indicates that lower down the market there is likely to be fierce competition too.

 

[Hotwired]

The point I am making is when you are paying over a grand, making the value argument is really silly. 60% of the price when you are well over 1k isn't saying much. Basically AMD and Nvidia have slowly conditioned you into thinking a grand is normal for high end GPUs.
Why pay that much and compromise on a key feature? Or are you saying a grand is chump change?

Is this game monetisation logic at work on your brain?

Why spend 1000 when you could instead spend 1700

 

[Grim5]

By far the best analysis I've seen so far

 

[Hedge]

ofcourse they do... nothing about pushing games forward and getting out of the boring stale graphics of the last 5-7 years, held back by cards with poor RT performance.


Can it run crysis answer in modern times is "but no one wants to run crysis anyway"



I love how people think anyone who can afford to spend 1700 on a graphics card suddenly misses that money and wants it back they probably have another 2k+ since these cards came out burning another hole in their pocket.


With the shortage anyway anyone who regrets buying a 4090 can sell it for what they paid and wait to buy an AMD card if they really wanted to... ya'll be acting like they threw money down a wishing well or something

The advancement of graphics tech comes from console development. It doesn't come from the pc market. The days of crysis are long gone.

Contrary to what gpu enthusiasts think when spouting steam numbers and how pc gaming numbers are on the rise, none of them numbers equate to people pushing for new gen graphics. They are made up of esports players. Dota, Fortnite, csgo, cod, overwatch etc.

The fact people still waffle on about cyberpunk even though they don't play it just shows how out of touch they are.