Red arrow incident

[SteveOBHave]

I thought the MK10 was a 0/0 seat... sounds horrid if the seat fired off without him strapped in.

Thought are deffo with family and friends.

 

[TheMightyTen]

Calm down precious. At the time I posted that, news reports were that he was 'only' injured, hence I went there.

May be then, there is a lesson there about making flippant jokes regarding breaking news about serious incidents involving possible injury or death?

1) You don't know the seriousness of the situation and the outcome in regards of fatalities, so it isn't funny.

2) It's a large forum with a large readership with every possibility that any incident could directly affect forum members, so again it isn't funny.

It's just simple good manners, ignoring good manners in these situations invariably make you look a tool

 

[Participant]

I like to make light of serious injury or death, it's how I deal with it. Thanks for the lesson though. I wish only to add that I don't give two hoots what you think .

 

[Skii]

I thought the MK10 was a 0/0 seat... sounds horrid if the seat fired off without him strapped in.

Thought are deffo with family and friends.

It is, there is wide speculation that the seat malfunctioned and both the explosive canopy charge and the parachute failed. Obviously this hasn't been solidly confirmed yet but horrible if true.

 

[TheMightyTen]

I like to make light of serious injury or death, it's how I deal with it. Thanks for the lesson though. I wish only to add that I don't give two hoots what you think .

Oh I bet you're lovely in real life out from behind your keyboard

 

[WillyNelson]

Ladies, this isn't the place to swing your handbags. Have a little respect.

Robbie, you were'nt to know the guy would die. A little ill-judged maybe, but otherwise excusable. And Mad Jay worked with the guy so his reaction is perfectly understandable.

 

[Uther]

I like to make light of serious injury or death, it's how I deal with it. Thanks for the lesson though. I wish only to add that I don't give two hoots what you think .

Not covering yourself with glory here...

Pilot has been named, he was from the same area as the pilot who died in the accident earlier this year, and not far from me.

 

[Participant]

Oh I bet you're lovely in real life out from behind your keyboard

Why do you care if I'm lovely or not? Go away.

 

[SteveOBHave]

It is, there is wide speculation that the seat malfunctioned and both the explosive canopy charge and the parachute failed. Obviously this hasn't been solidly confirmed yet but horrible if true.

That's not awesome at all - that a big catalogue of failures though! Sounds a little like the rest of the system wasn't armed when the seat went off Awful stuff.

 

[DiCe!]

I like to make light of serious injury or death, it's how I deal with it. Thanks for the lesson though. I wish only to add that I don't give two hoots what you think .

Drop the insults, take time to cool off.

RIP to the guy, Sorry for his familys loss, And for yours Jay.

Been a bad year for the RA's, I hope they continue and push through this bad patch.

 

[taliesyn]

It is, there is wide speculation that the seat malfunctioned and both the explosive canopy charge and the parachute failed. Obviously this hasn't been solidly confirmed yet but horrible if true.

Canopy and seat are separately disarmed. Manually. So anything could have happened.

The canopy is over an inch thick iirc. and acrylic. It should trigger after a slight movement of the seat. They are fairly solid things so if the det cord didn't go and the seat fired it is not a pleasant prospect

Doesn't really matter what actually happened unless it has ongoing safety implications. What is important is that a man has sadly lost his life, and his family have lost him.

 

[DiCe!]

EDIT

Not going to argue here.

 

[TheMightyTen]

It really is too early to speculate over possible malfunctions. The groundings may well be just precautionary in respect of Police and Military Aviation Authority investigations.

 

[Jamiman]

What a horrible incident this is.

Another loss for the Red arrows....a real shame.

My condoloences his family and friends

 

[EdGey]

Does this mean that the RAF trainer Hawks will also be grounded?

 

[taliesyn]

Does this mean that the RAF trainer Hawks will also be grounded?

Yes. For non-essential flights.

 

[Hedge]

Yeah it looks like our flights are grounded too. Ill find out more when I start work tonight, but obviously cant say anything I learn on here.

Terrible tragedy though, I work the line on Tornados and I see off jets daily, the idea of this happening on ground is quite shocking, If it was during a see off procedure the liney must be seriously traumatised

 

[Eddie182]

...If it was during a see off procedure the liney must be seriously traumatised

From the pics I've seen it looks like it was, you've got to feel for the liney(s) out there at the time as well as the family and the Reds in general.

I assume the 'lineys' on the Reds are all experienced lads rather than young AMMs, so hopefully they'll be better able to cope that one of the young lads you get on the sqns, but that said, it goes without saying nobody would be able to just shake it off.

The 'phoons aren't affected by the grounding, but it has been very quiet here today, and rightly so.

 

[Domo]

Sorry guys, fascinated by your posts. What's a liney?
Thanks,

 

[KnightStalker]

Sorry guys, fascinated by your posts. What's a liney?
Thanks,

Groundcrew essentially, helps the pilots in and out etc i think, i aint sure but i think thats what they are. (i should know this this my uncle is in the RAF and im sure hes told me a few times, but do i listen..no.)

Edit..i think more of a mechanic role is played also, cant quite remember.