Refuse to buy a 1070 at current pricing

[m0zza13]

£210 for the 970 now? The KFA 1070 2-fan is £375, or is it that you mean the £419 is in stock right now?


That's the reason why there is a next gen console thread in the GFX card forum
When will the game devs step up a gear on game development to meet the new level of graphics capabilities. We saw a plateau in game graphics level just before the PS4/Xbone release. Lots of threads in here asking what was the point of the top end cards. Games didnt need them. Then the new consoles and new monitor resses (>60hz 1440p) kicked in and we are back to never quite enough power.

I suspect you would be fine with either the 970 or AMD 480 until the 4.5gen console releases start to fire.

Thanks for the response!

I understand what you mean.

I was comparing prices between the MSI 1070
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-32a-ms.html

Which my mistake is priced for pre-order at 429 and then the 970 which is priced for at 249
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-259-ms.html.

It seems its quite a difference between prices and I assumed it would be around the 320 - 350 mark instead which is what changed my mind. I think a 970 is more than capable for my needs by the sounds of it. I was looking at the AMD card but I get the feeling getting my hands on one at the end of the month is going to be difficult. Judging how it is to get your hands on a 1070 for a sensible price.

My goal was always going to be 3D first and gaming as a luxury but if i'm going to invest 1200 into a computer I want to make sure i get the best for my buck.

 

[melmac]

My goal was always going to be 3D first and gaming as a luxury but if i'm going to invest 1200 into a computer I want to make sure i get the best for my buck.

Well if you want to future proof your PC at all you should buy the 1070 or wait for the 480 from AMD. And if you want best bang for your buck, then you should wait a few weeks anyway, because the initial price gouging from low stock levels should have eased off by then.

I understand that you might be impatient to get a new card, but, I wouldn't buy a 970 now, especially if I only get a new card every few years.

 

[Cenuij]

Problem is people are buying them, consumers vote with there cash... And people are throwing it at Nvidia...

Are they really though? Doesn't look like there's many of them filtering through to markets at all... The high price suggests limited yields and availability rather than demand.

 

[mikelkite]

Make sure you pay the 20% import VAT.

Ill forgo the warranty and unbox it, I'm not getting stung by our ridiculous tax system at all if I do

 

[mikelkite]

i wasn't aware Nvidia was forcing you to buy their 1070.
if you are looking for value/$, you should go to AMD instead.
if you are looking for your budget you can get a 980 instead
if you want a 1070 and cannot afford it, dont buy it and buy from competitor, if enough ppl do the same, nvidia will drop the price, if you complain and still pay, they will keep milking you, because you pay.
the math is simple and it's certainly not nvidia's fault.

I just spent £900 on a shotgun because I wanted it, I could by 5 of these cards but the fact is its outrageously priced so by my personal principals I will not.

You are right I'm not being forced to buy one, so you pointing that out is as useless as the rest of your post.

Edit : Also I just bought an Acer x34 on a whim, so my choice of not spending frivolously on a card of that much is even more cemented

 

[Drollic]

Florida next year, shotgun on a whim... New cards and they come out the woodwork

 

[harmattan]

No one is asking anyone to be thankful. Just accept it is a business and it owes nobody anything at all.

If the price was such an issue then they wouldn't sell any. But guess what they are selling out everywhere.

The difference between different generations of Ferrari or McLaren or Porsche don't offer massive gains on the last and they are hugely more expensive each time. Most decent supercars will cost you around a million pounds these days. Don't see everyone up in arms about that.

Just because something is in a premium market doesn't make it any less viable.

They're only selling out because nV is trickling out supply (while hiding behind stories of production issues, holidays etc). Standard practice since the beginning of time across retail to make it seem like a product is higher demand than it really is.

I would suggest sitting back for a while until supply and prices stabilize a bit (although wouldn't plan on any miracles here: nV and vendors are drawing a new line in the sand on pricing this round for the enthusiast-class cards).

But yea, current prices are absolutely shameful.

 

[Photolysis]

The "it's better performance than X so it should be priced higher" argument is stupid.

By that logic GPUs and CPUs are orders of magnitude faster than the first ones, so our hardware should cost a few trillion and that's a completely fair and reasonable price. 'Logic' is of course being used generously.

 

[JoeF1]

I just spent £900 on a shotgun because I wanted it, I could by 5 of these cards but the fact is its outrageously priced so by my personal principals I will not.

You are right I'm not being forced to buy one, so you pointing that out is as useless as the rest of your post.

Edit : Also I just bought an Acer x34 on a whim, so my choice of not spending frivolously on a card of that much is even more cemented

Any point you're trying to prove is lost with the money in your face talk.

Florida next year, shotgun on a whim... New cards and they come out the woodwork

 

[.Trooper.]

I just bought an Audi R8 on a whim, and last night I bet a grand on Iceland winning the game today because I wanted to.

Still not gonna get a Pascal card tho', cus' morals.

 

[Rroff]

He has a point though.

 

[JABenedicic]

They're only selling out because nV is trickling out supply (while hiding behind stories of production issues, holidays etc). Standard practice since the beginning of time across retail to make it seem like a product is higher demand than it really is.

What constitutes a trickle? How do you come to those figures?

Worldwide supply of chips to manufacturers must run into hundreds of thousands for them to support multiple versions of the same model. We've got what, 21 options of cards.

They are probably shipping to hundreds of resellers worldwide. If each receives a box of a hundred of each card at a time that is some serious numbers. Being cost effective means they are likely importing shipping containers full at a time into each country.

We must have at least 10 significant resellers in the UK alone (not counting your average local computer shop that might order 1 or 2 at a time), not all being equal I'm sure some will receive less than others, but overall I can't see how this constitutes a trickle? Unless you were expecting each store worldwide to receive a few thousand of each card on day one.

Again I'll liken to iPhones, Apple usually pre-assemble millions of the things prior to launch and even still they sell out in a matter of days if not hours. They have distribution issues and they are churning out product near 24/7.

Not everything requires a tin foil hat.

 

[.Trooper.]

He has a point though.

Perhaps, it's a bit difficult to find underneath all the second-hand boasting

 

[yoyo59]

lol if people are not going to pay the 1070 asking price then don't simple as that

''I refuse to buy the new model car because its not much faster than the old one!''

I say to you to wait for them to become 2nd hand or buy a rx480 because apparently everyone thinks this 970 performance card which comes out nearly 2 years after the 970 will be a life saver, I say forget that id rather buy the 329$ 970 and of had nearly 2 years enjoyment lol.

/end thread

 

[DarrenM343]

Where do I even start with these posts? Do you even realise what you are saying? Decent value? Where can I find customers like you two?



This post says it better than I ever could.

Explain how you see it then and some of will LOL.
Just because I have a different opinion that some of you doesn't mean I easily part with my money - I haven't bought any new card. Some of us just can see things away from our own selfish angle of "paying minimum" for something we want when if we ran the same company we'd all do the same thing, including you, and price depending on many factors and charging what we can get away with charging.

So....tell me why with zero decent competition and a £400 part built on a new process and some good new features beating a recent £550 card that by the way many people were buying until recently because it seemed a good deal compared to the TX, and also many people were advising people to buy, and also the £400 card beating another £900 selling part, tell me why you think isn't good value when there is especially nothing similar around and also LOADS of people buyiing them.

Fact is, whatever you say, many many people are snapping them up. Buy one or dont. You only live once, why spend it moaning about pricing of some non-important graphics card........unless it's important to you as it is to many hence why people buy them and prepared to pay a bit more on such things.

Ths all stem from the "it's a mid range part" BS in my opinion. Sure, eventually it will but right now both the 1070 and 1080 beat old gen top end cards AND offer better/improved features - there's nothing better in the market........ that's how it is.

Neither card is right for me at this time but I'm not going to say they're not good value because at the moment I'm not prepared to pay up. I think the 1070 is a pretty good buy for many IF they want to upgrade right now to something better overall than a £900 TX
.

 

[efish]

He does have a point that unfortunately people are paying these prices :| doesn't change the fact that nVidia have managed to sell a bit of old rope (figuratively speaking).

Data tends to suggest that perceptions in price fairness are important when it comes to reception of prices and how people make purchasing decisions.

'the people forget its a business' that's certainly the case, purchasing decisions tend not to be based on our understanding of how an economic system works but on perceived fairness and value.

Regardless of wither its a minority or majority view its how people behave and should hardly be considered surprising or based on ignorance, its a very standard and normal reaction.

 

[mikelkite]

Any point you're trying to prove is lost with the money in your face talk.

The point I am making is I could buy a 1080 but the 1070 is the better card as I only have 3440x1440 not 4k and that it might not be worth the 1080. The point was brought up that if I couldn't afford the card, well I can, I can buy a whole new rig if I wanted, but as a consumer of high end goods and have the money to even I am not convinced on the price, that is the point.

The price markup is gouging the consumer, the point about Florida is I will be paying the USD + 7% tax the last time I went out there. So the savings will be significant, even more so in a years time when I plan to go.

See it all comes together.....like.....there's a reason....

 

[JABenedicic]

Data tends to suggest that perceptions in price fairness are important when it comes to reception of prices and how people make purchasing decisions.

Which would suggest that the silent majority that just purchase the card and don't whine about it are fine with the price.

Perceived stock issues aside they appear to be selling well across both 1080 & 1070 models.

Wish there was a decent tracking mechanism like how they track box office figures for movies. Because I am fairly confident that the numbers speak for themselves as to overall reception of the products.

 

[JanM]

With the 1070 being almost equal with the Titan X whats a good price if I wanted to pick up a Titan X second hand?

 

[DarrenM343]

With the 1070 being almost equal with the Titan X whats a good price if I wanted to pick up a Titan X second hand?

you'll not find one for the price I reckon they should be worth. They'll be worth more to a high res gamer who has one already. If not a high res gamer (so 1440p or lower), where does one price a part that is beaten or matched by a brand new £399 card with new featues and tech? £300?? I don't know, that's a question for someone thinking about buying one to answer .

I'd just pick up a 1070 or 80 personally, comfortable it's new tech and has an iron clad warranty (compared to buying used) and lower risk of someone trying to rip you off, and never overclocked as it'll be brand spankers