Refuse to buy a 1070 at current pricing

[JamesM]

Are we able to do direct comparisons of USD and GBP pricing? Doesn't it vary state by state according to if there are additional sales taxes?

That's like comparing two EU countries prices where they use the same currency but have different taxes and rates.

Some states will be different.

It's just easier to change the UK price to $ and easily see the difference than it is to change the US price to £ and work out what extra taxes, delivery costs, etc have been added on.

 

[FoxEye]

But why not? Thing is, I don't see much good competition around at the moment and that's one of the key points here. Also I wonder if it's getting more expensive to extract the performance now - bigger R&D spends for smaller gains? Prices therefore go up too.

But the 1070 is as good as a TX in most scenario's (I think?) and at £400 vs £900+ and new technology vs old. Ignore the 70denominator and that's decent value?

Nail. Head.

You're giving them a license to print money.

Basically you're saying that as long as it's (considerably) cheaper than last gen's halo product, if the perf is the same or better, then the price is fair.

So if nV want to charge 2 grand for this years Titan, then next year the 1170 can be £999 and it'll be good value.

It's an oddly self-destructive and anti-consumer mindset that you've gleefully adopted.

You have to remember that halo products ignore all the rules of price/perf because they are the best of the best, and a tiny % of people will pay any price for this.

Justifying the price of this year's upper-mid cards based on it being cheaper than last year's halo product is frightening.

 

[JABenedicic]

Some states will be different.

It's just easier to change the UK price to $ and easily see the difference than it is to change the US price to £ and work out what extra taxes, delivery costs, etc have been added on.

But that's my point, comparing a US$700 advertised price over there with a £>US$ converted price here isn't a straight up comparison.

In California State-Local sales tax combined is nearly 10%, that makes it a US$770 card (or more depending if taxes are added individually in a compounded manner).

The problem with shopping in the states is that sales taxes are very rarely displayed, unlike here where it is always upfront and clear what you are paying.

 

[Geo-Gamer]

I think we all know the 1080/1070 are overpriced - it reminds me when Nvidia tried it on with the 780 and prices dropped to £400 after 4 months.

Just look at the last three generations - i reckon in 3-4 months the 1080 will be at the £450 mark. It's only 980 which dropped slower - but it started lower aswell.

Palit Jetstream 680 4GB
- Reduced in price 11.1% after 3-4 months. £539.99 > £479.99
- A further 3 months later, most 680s were at £399.99

Gigabyte 780 Windforce 3X 3GB
- Reduced in pridce 36.5% after 4 months. £629 > £399.99
- A further 3 months later, most 780s were at £399.99

Gigabyte 980 G1 Gaming 4GB
- Reduced in price 6.4% after 3-4 months £499.99 > £467.99
- Reduced in price a further 18.8% 7 months later. £467.99 > £379.99

I still believe this can be all but speculation...

For example I purchased my MSI 970 two years ago on the day of release for £289 and it pretty much stayed the exact price only until yesturday where it only dropped by £30 over 2 years.

So for the 1070 we never know. It may even sit at the same price tag for two years just like the 970's

 

[.Trooper.]

The 970 was priced competitively. The 1070 is not.

 

[dragos1977]

there is already the new thing.....actualy not new but kept aside for the last 20 years......graphene.

Which is a fair view point, but will only get more prevalent over time, Moore's Law will diminish eventually.

I was at a talk a couple years back when someone said the next big issue facing technology is the speed of light, which seemed odd, but its true, we will hit a ceiling at some point.

Excluding radical changes and inventions we are into the era of small gains. But as the British Olympic cycling team proved, a few 1% gains make all the difference.

 

[RavenXXX2]

The 970 was priced competitively. The 1070 is not.

1070 has no competition.

 

[.Trooper.]

1070 has no competition.

I was replying to his point that the 970 has been the same price for 2 years.

That's not likely to happen with the 1070 because it has no competition and is priced after the fact.

Once it does have competition, the price is likely to come down.

 

[joeyjojo]

I'm going to Florida next year so I'll hold out until then and get a bargain on one!

Make sure you pay the 20% import VAT.

 

[XeNoNF50]

Don't think the upcoming AMD release is going to affect pricing for this sadly.

 

[AlamoX]

Title says it all, who else here thinks this is a disgusting price gouge from Nvidia on the 1070's, the $/£ conversion and then some.

Cheapest I can see in Europe is £420 (in €) I paid £280 for a GTX 970 EVGA SSC last year, I am willing to go to £350~ but that is ridiculous pricing.

It is making people buy the 1080 as it seems better value for money when in truth the gains from 1070 to 1080 are negligable even at 3440x1440!

I'm going to Florida next year so I'll hold out until then and get a bargain on one! Shame because I like to give OCUK my business but even though I just spent £900 on a shotgun on a whim, I can't somehow justify this pricing for a GFX card, despite making close to what I paid back for my 970, this is simply monopolizing the market and when a mid/high range gfx card outweighs the price of a console then there is some serious questions about the lifespan of the card and what increase we will have to pay next time around.

Anyone was going to buy a 1070 but after pricing decide to hold off now?

i wasn't aware Nvidia was forcing you to buy their 1070.
if you are looking for value/$, you should go to AMD instead.
if you are looking for your budget you can get a 980 instead
if you want a 1070 and cannot afford it, dont buy it and buy from competitor, if enough ppl do the same, nvidia will drop the price, if you complain and still pay, they will keep milking you, because you pay.
the math is simple and it's certainly not nvidia's fault.

 

[m0zza13]

Hey guys.

New poster here with a quick question I recently just built a new rig for mainly 3d with the option of gaming.

I didn't want to create a new topic so thought i'd post here. I am running with a i6700k cpu and 16gb ram but haven't purchased a gpu yet. I was waiting for the 1070s but the price is just way more than i imagined. My main question is basically for someone who uses autodesk, adobe products and has no interest in VR. Do i need a powerful gpu and should i just go for the 970 and will it be more than enough for my needs?

I do want to try some games but obviously its not my main goal and apart of me thinks the 1070 is just going to be overkill but I do want this to be a future proof machine.

Thanks!

 

[JTrickle]

I recently just built a new rig for mainly 3d with the option of gaming.

Last time I used Autocad was only for 2d bar bending schedules on a machine with no 3D capabilities, so can't comment on its recent requirements. My GPU gets used when I compile video about once a week. Its not used for this often enough for it ever to be a factor in buying a gaming gfx card for me.

I would suspect its going to boil down to your gaming requirements. There are three factors:

a) Number of pixels driven. You don't need 1070 for a 1080p 60hz monitor.
b) Do you need >60hz for your games (Overwatch/Counterstrike)?
c) Can you cope with turning settings down? Some can't. But its a valid argument about how you value your time. Is your time devalued by looking at 2nd rate visuals? Some don't care either way.

Sorry I can't answer the Autocad question. My guess is it will be a non issue.

 

[m0zza13]

Last time I used Autocad was only for 2d bar bending schedules on a machine with no 3D capabilities, so can't comment on its recent requirements. My GPU gets used when I compile video about once a week. Its not used for this often enough for it ever to be a factor in buying a gaming gfx card for me.

I would suspect its going to boil down to your gaming requirements. There are three factors:

a) Number of pixels driven. You don't need 1070 for a 1080p 60hz monitor.
b) Do you need >60hz for your games (Overwatch/Counterstrike)?
c) Can you cope with turning settings down? Some can't. But its a valid argument about how you value your time. Is your time devalued by looking at 2nd rate visuals? Some don't care either way.

Sorry I can't answer the Autocad question. My guess is it will be a non issue.

Thanks for the reply.

I assume it will be a non issue, I will be mostly using 3ds max and rendering software Vray but there's some programs like Mari which is a 3d painting software which require pretty good GPUs to run smoothly. My main gripe I suppose is the age old question of is it worth it and its why I posted it in this thread. With the MSI GTX970 gaming card now down to 249 and the 1070 priced at 419. It seems for what I want to achieve with my computer then I assume going for the 1070 is pointless? I just want a future proof machine and the 970 still has a lot of mileage I assume.

Regarding my gaming, I've never been that fussy. I'd obviously like to play the likes of Overwatch on good quality settings and have it run smooth but I've never been one for playing games at ultra settings.

 

[JABenedicic]

I was under the impression graphene is pretty useless for chips that need to hold a state as as soon as you turn it off the state is lost.

Titanium Trisulphide is the smallest material with suitable semiconductor properties but titanium isn't in abundance enough on the planet to use it at the scale we do silicon

 

[nitram100]

Hah that gif took on a whole different meaning coinciding with the music I was listening to: https://youtu.be/MYw6ZElLEvM?t=334

Respect for Yahel bro

 

[melmac]

But the 1070 is as good as a TX in most scenario's (I think?) and at £400 vs £900+ and new technology vs old. Ignore the 70denominator and that's decent value?

Nail. Head.

Where do I even start with these posts? Do you even realise what you are saying? Decent value? Where can I find customers like you two?

You're giving them a license to print money.

Basically you're saying that as long as it's (considerably) cheaper than last gen's halo product, if the perf is the same or better, then the price is fair.

So if nV want to charge 2 grand for this years Titan, then next year the 1170 can be £999 and it'll be good value.

It's an oddly self-destructive and anti-consumer mindset that you've gleefully adopted.

You have to remember that halo products ignore all the rules of price/perf because they are the best of the best, and a tiny % of people will pay any price for this.

Justifying the price of this year's upper-mid cards based on it being cheaper than last year's halo product is frightening.

This post says it better than I ever could.

 

[valerislysander]

Oh you mean we should accept a 5% performance increase per generation for £600 and be thankful a la Intel?

5%? The 1070 replaces the 970 and the 1070 is 50% faster than the 970, 1080 from 980 is a 50% increase in performance to so this gen is actually a big performance increase.

I'm not saying the prices aren't to expensive because they are £50-100 more over Maxwell at release which is a shame but you cannot say they don't pack the performance!

 

[JTrickle]

With the MSI GTX970 gaming card now down to 249 and the 1070 priced at 419.

£210 for the 970 now? The KFA 1070 2-fan is £375, or is it that you mean the £419 is in stock right now?

I just want a future proof machine and the 970 still has a lot of mileage I assume....I've never been one for playing games at ultra settings.

That's the reason why there is a next gen console thread in the GFX card forum
When will the game devs step up a gear on game development to meet the new level of graphics capabilities. We saw a plateau in game graphics level just before the PS4/Xbone release. Lots of threads in here asking what was the point of the top end cards. Games didnt need them. Then the new consoles and new monitor resses (>60hz 1440p) kicked in and we are back to never quite enough power.

I suspect you would be fine with either the 970 or AMD 480 until the 4.5gen console releases start to fire.

 

[melmac]

5%? The 1070 replaces the 970 and the 1070 is 50% faster than the 970, 1080 from 980 is a 50% increase in performance to so this gen is actually a big performance increase.

I'm not saying the prices aren't to expensive because they are £50-100 more over Maxwell at release which is a shame but you cannot say they don't pack the performance!

Well if you take into account that it's double die shrink this generation, remember we skipped 20nm, then it isn't as impressive as it should be. Especially not at the price we are expected to pay.

The 970 was about 35% faster than the 770 and there was no die shrink involved at all.