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Sounds like Royal Mail offered them a pretty good pay offer and it is the workers that are holding out for more.

I might have some sympathy for the workers if Royal Mail offered them a derisory pay offer but 7%+ is a pretty decent increase. It is below inflation but not many people are getting above inflation pay rises.

They are using their customers as pawns which I suspect will not be forgotten when people choose who to use to post parcels and letters going forward.

You need some TP to wipe the brown off your nose with how far up RM's ass it is.

7% over 2 years is not a good pay rise, especially when it is tacked with conditions that result in crappier working conditions for employees. You are out of your mind.
 
I know this is a poor argument. And we shouldn't be accepting it... But I've never had a inflation matching pay rise just to match inflation.

It wasn't until I started job changing that I really accelerated in monetary terms.


2012-2019 27-34 years of age. From 21k to 28k = 2 jobs

2019-2022, 34-37, years of age. From 29k - 50k = 5 jobs (ended 29k one in 2019 and start the 50k one this month)


Never got anything but token amounts sticking around. Loyalty does not pay. Even with things like changing your bank, or mobile provider.
I havent either, but I think it doesnt excuse the practice. Nothing wrong for pushing for something more reasonable, because if there is no pushing things will just keep getting worse its clearly a employee/consumer vs shareholder fight in the world right now.

Last time I got treated like what has been proposed on their terms (compulsory overtime) I walked out on the job, I'm not a robot.

I expect they would accept 2-3% below inflation without enforced over time and gig contract terms, As an employee I would only accept the terms offered (without the overtime) on the condition the shareholders put back in their last few years worth of cash they took out so the pain is shared.
 
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I havent either, but I think it doesnt excuse the practice. Nothing wrong for pushing for something more reasonable, because if there is no pushing things will just keep getting worse its clearly a employee/consumer vs shareholder fight in the world right now.

Last time I got treated like what has been proposed on their terms (compulsory overtime) I walked out on the job, I'm not a robot.
Absolutely agree. It shouldn't be this way.
 
You need some TP to wipe the brown off your nose with how far up RM's ass it is.

7% over 2 years is not a good pay rise, especially when it is tacked with conditions that result in crappier working conditions for employees. You are out of your mind.

Touched a nerve have I?

I don't really care who gets paid what. I just want my letters and parcels delivered in a timely manner. Royal Mail don't seem capable of doing that so I will take my business elsewhere. I am not short of alternatives.

Seems like many other businesses and individuals agree with me and were quick to dump Royal Mail when their offering became unreliable.

If the Royal Mail can't be competitive then they will die. Royal Mail workers striking and causing their customers huge disruption will just hasten their demise.

No need to be sentimental about it. They are just a private company.
 
Touched a nerve have I?

I don't really care who gets paid what. I just want my letters and parcels delivered in a timely manner. Royal Mail don't seem capable of doing that so I will take my business elsewhere. I am not short of alternatives.

Seems like many other businesses and individuals agree with me and were quick to dump Royal Mail when their offering became unreliable.

If the Royal Mail can't be competitive then they will die. Royal Mail workers striking and causing their customers huge disruption will just hasten their demise.

No need to be sentimental about it. They are just a private company.
They see to be heading in that direction regardless, what their staff get paid wouldnt be the downfall, more the billions taken by the shareholders and the services on offer not been modernised.
 
Touched a nerve have I?

I don't really care who gets paid what. I just want my letters and parcels delivered in a timely manner. Royal Mail don't seem capable of doing that so I will take my business elsewhere. I am not short of alternatives.

Seems like many other businesses and individuals agree with me and were quick to dump Royal Mail when their offering became unreliable.

If the Royal Mail can't be competitive then they will die. Royal Mail workers striking and causing their customers huge disruption will just hasten their demise.

No need to be sentimental about it. They are just a private company.

And no doubt those businesses will be back. I can count the number of reliable and reasonably priced couriers with one hand. DPD is probably the best, but they're bloody expensive to be using on the regular.
 
And no doubt those businesses will be back. I can count the number of reliable and reasonably priced couriers with one hand. DPD is probably the best, but they're bloody expensive to be using on the regular.

Companies will ask for and get special rates. Just like Overclockers, depending on volume.

Anecdotally, when I was a student I took a Christmas delivery role. The PO hired a removals van which we filled with sacks of parcels pre dawn. Half a dozen of us and a full time postie rode around the town with the tailgate lowered. Our job was to hop off and on loaded with parcels to knock and run at people's front doors. The postie untied the sacks and sorted the route.

The santa squad. More enlightened times eh. :D Merry Christmas.
 
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I know this is a poor argument. And we shouldn't be accepting it... But I've never had a inflation matching pay rise just to match inflation.

It wasn't until I started job changing that I really accelerated in monetary terms.


2012-2019 27-34 years of age. From 21k to 28k = 2 jobs

2019-2022, 34-37, years of age. From 29k - 50k = 5 jobs (ended 29k one in 2019 and start the 50k one this month)


Never got anything but token amounts sticking around. Loyalty does not pay. Even with things like changing your bank, or mobile provider.

That £21k job should be around £27.5k in todays money so if anyone is working it at that same rate today they're effectively paid less. I agree to move up fast you have to change jobs like you've done (same thing I've done), but someone who would stay in that £21k job should at least not have their earnings diminished, similarly to those striking.

I never read too much into the inflation and below level rises early on in my career until a few years ago and started realising it equals in you effectively earning less and less.
 
That £21k job should be around £27.5k in todays money so if anyone is working it at that same rate today they're effectively paid less. I agree to move up fast you have to change jobs like you've done (same thing I've done), but someone who would stay in that £21k job should at least not have their earnings diminished, similarly to those striking.

I never read too much into the inflation and below level rises early on in my career until a few years ago and started realising it equals in you effectively earning less and less.

Same didn't think much of it either. But when got all the bills to pay and costs are going up so noticeably it all of a sudden matters
 
You're doubly screwed as Pharmacy2u send items using Royal Mail. Why couldn't this urgent prescription be filled by your local pharmacy?
imagine if the country had a reliable post system with workers who want to work, unlike some people
 
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Woohoo 1st class post finaly arrived, only took a week and half to get here. If you havn't sent off any cards the likelyhood of them arriving anywhere before xmas is just about non existent at this point.
 
imagine if the country had a reliable post system with workers who want to work, unlike some people
I've never found Royal Mail to be unreliable though clearly there are going to be disruptions while industrial action is taking place. Royal Mail employees have been offered 7% over 18 months with detrimental changes in working conditions. I guess you don't have to worry so much when your state benefits are increasing 10.1% in April and you can sit around playing games all day.
 
And no doubt those businesses will be back. I can count the number of reliable and reasonably priced couriers with one hand. DPD is probably the best, but they're bloody expensive to be using on the regular.
As a business owner who had a contract with DPD, I can tell you they’re one of the cheapest in terms of rates but their support and infrastructure is terrible.

FedEx are the current winners, reasonably priced and get the job done well.

As for Royal Mail, all this posturing over pay rises will be irrelevant when every business takes their money elsewhere
 
As a business owner who had a contract with DPD, I can tell you they’re one of the cheapest in terms of rates but their support and infrastructure is terrible.

FedEx are the current winners, reasonably priced and get the job done well.

As for Royal Mail, all this posturing over pay rises will be irrelevant when every business takes their money elsewhere

Exactly. RM need to sort their **** out. If they dont start listening and taking in what the workers are saying they could put themself in some trouble.
 
Exactly. RM need to sort their **** out. If they dont start listening and taking in what the workers are saying they could put themself in some trouble.

Maybe that's the hidden agenda, sell off any profitable sections to another company and the rest just implodes under bankruptcy.

That might lead the way to taking the postal system back under public ownership. Although without a workforce.
 
Maybe that's the hidden agenda, sell off any profitable sections to another company and the rest just implodes under bankruptcy.

That might lead the way to taking the postal system back under public ownership. Although without a workforce.

I think they have already done that. I think they have alreadys sold over £100m of land and buildings off.

Unfortunatly this is RM saying up yours. The are purposely running at a lose so they dont have to give decent payrises.
 
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