RM before 1pm item not delivered

Uther · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:27

Surveyor said:
The offer is a 7% pay increase over 18 months with a 2% lump sum payment this year and goes with a programme of changes to working patterns including alterations to Sunday shifts, different start times and more flexible working.

Well as I've said, Primark is taking on...
Much as I support workers right to strike (and a couple of my friends are on their way to a CWU march as we speak...) I suspect that all that will happen here is thousands of RM workers will be getting the boot, and RM will get their own way in the end anyway.

glenimp617 · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:31

I'd like a 7% payrise

lovelyhead · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:34

Surveyor said:
The offer is a 7% pay increase over 18 months with a 2% lump sum payment this year and goes with a programme of changes to working patterns including alterations to Sunday shifts, different start times and more flexible working.

Sounds like a decent deal to me. I would accept it if I were them.

Honestly, I am one of those self centred people I mentioned in my post and the Royal Mail strikers have either delayed or lost a vital part I need to finish a project before Xmas and they have also delayed or lost a vital application I sent to SEPA.

This makes me not want to ever use Royal Mail again. This is how I feel about the situation. I reckon many thousands of other customers are feeling the same way right now and that is very bad for the Royal Mail workers futures.

mid_gen · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:35

TheOracle said:
I'd like a 7% payrise

Maybe you should join a union?

Why are people so happy to suck up real terms pay cuts? Particularly from companies that were very recently disbursing vast sums of money to shareholders.

Surveyor · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:40

Uther said:
Well as I've said, Primark is taking on...
Much as I support workers right to strike, I suspect that all that will happen here is thousands of RM workers will be getting the boot, and RM will get their own way in the end anyway.

I'm sure many places are taking on but what does that have to do with the misleading 9% pay rise figure?

TheOracle said:
I'd like a 7% payrise

Would you like it over 18 months and in return for a worsening of your terms of employment?

lovelyhead said:
Sounds like a decent deal to me. I would accept it if I were them.

Honestly, I am one of those self centred people I mentioned in my post and the Royal Mail strikers have either delayed or lost a vital part I need to finish a project before Xmas and they have also delayed or lost a vital application I sent to SEPA.

This makes me not want to ever use Royal Mail again. This is how I feel about the situation. I reckon many thousands of other customers are feeling the same way right now and that is very bad for the Royal Mail workers futures.

Whatever you think of the deal it's not the 9% you stated. It's 7% over 18 months and includes changes in working conditions for the benefit of the employer.

glenimp617 · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:42

Surveyor said:
Would you like it over 18 months and in return for a worsening of your terms of employment?

Yeah, I probably would

darael · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:43

A Royal Mail spokesman said: "We spent three more days at [conciliation service] Acas this week to discuss what needs to happen for the strikes to be lifted.

"In the end, all we received was another request for more pay, without the changes needed to fund the pay offer," the spokesman said, adding that the union "knows full well" that the business is losing more than £1m a day.

Royal Mail workers begin wave of Christmas strikes - BBC News

So they want to have their cake and eat it too.

varkanoid · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:43

lovelyhead said:
The Royal Mail workers could have chosen a different time of year to strike but they chose right before Xmas to cause maximum disruption.

They might have voted on the strike but they dont choose when to. Its all down to the CWU. Its all Union lead. I used to work for the RM back in the 90's as an Administrator and the CWU were beep word then and they are now. I was a CWU rep too back then. They dont give a roo poo about the employees its all about their power.

lovelyhead · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:48

varkanoid said:
They might have voted on the strike but they dont choose when to. Its all down to the CWU. Its all Union lead. I used to work for the RM back in the 90's as an Administrator and the CWU were beep word then and they are now. I was a CWU rep too back then. They dont give a roo poo about the employees its all about their power.

I am sure that the workers aren't powerless in deciding when they will strike. If enough of them had the sense to realize that holding strikes right before Xmas would cause complete chaos, which would most likely lead to a loss of support from their customers, they would be able to tell the union that the timing wasn't right.

I suspect most workers are happy to cause the most disruption as possible.

varkanoid · 9 Dec 2022 at 10:53

lovelyhead said:
I am sure that the workers aren't powerless in deciding when they will strike.

Yeah they are its a basic yes/no vote.

I suspect most workers are happy to cause the most disruption as possible.

as instructed by the CWU.

Another reason is all the overtime they get when they go back to work thats offered to catch up on the delays.

lovelyhead · 9 Dec 2022 at 11:08

varkanoid said:
Yeah they are its a basic yes/no vote.

as instructed by the CWU.

Another reason is all the overtime they get when they go back to work thats offered to catch up on the delays.

They better save that overtime money as I suspect many of them will be out of a job once the backlog is cleared.

mid_gen · 9 Dec 2022 at 11:16

darael said:
Royal Mail workers begin wave of Christmas strikes - BBC News

So they want to have their cake and eat it too.

It was making nearly £1 million a day last year, and double that the year before.

Could have used that to modernise and pay people appropriately....instead the money was funneled to shareholders.

The fault here lies entirely with the incompetent management at RM.

Haze · 9 Dec 2022 at 12:13

Normal GD thread gone completely off topic....

Jono8 · 9 Dec 2022 at 12:15

mid_gen said:
It was making nearly £1 million a day last year, and double that the year before.

Could have used that to modernise and pay people appropriately....instead the money was funneled to shareholders.

The fault here lies entirely with the incompetent management at RM.

This is pretty much the problem with the entirety of our lives and the economy.

Tephnos · 9 Dec 2022 at 12:23

Jono8 said:
This is pretty much the problem with the entirety of our lives and the economy.

The UK just makes it a point of national pride to screw its workforce over and have people brown-nose and ask for more.

Realise that what is happening now is because we all collectively buried our heads in the sand for years as the Tories continued with austerity, which is a failed economic theory to begin with.

glenimp617 · 9 Dec 2022 at 12:29

I think it's unfair asking people to work afternoons. This isn't the 2000s

Does anyone listen to LBC? There was a caller phone in complaining about home workers. He was mad because he's a lorry driver. He basically said if he can't work from home then nobody can. I agree, postmen/women/binars and fluids should be able to deliver mail from home.

I'm thinking drone pilots?

Semple · 9 Dec 2022 at 12:53

Surveyor said:
The offer is a 7% pay increase over 18 months with a 2% lump sum payment this year and goes with a programme of changes to working patterns including alterations to Sunday shifts, different start times and more flexible working.

What are the alterations to Sunday shifts? That point seems a bit vague. Different start times and more flexible working - isn't this what the modern workforce have been asking for?

I would hate to work for a company that doesn't offer flexible working.

Semple · 9 Dec 2022 at 12:58

mid_gen said:
It was making nearly £1 million a day last year, and double that the year before.

Could have used that to modernise and pay people appropriately....instead the money was funneled to shareholders.

The fault here lies entirely with the incompetent management at RM.

So it was basically getting a windfall as majority of the population was at home last year and were ordering all sorts.

Are energy sector workers also going on strike because the likes of shell were making £1000+ a second? (Which works out as 86 million a day)

Tony Edwards · 9 Dec 2022 at 13:02

lovelyhead said:
The way I see it is this. The Royal Mail workers have the right to strike for better pay and conditions. Royal Mail's owners have the right to not give in to the strikers demands. I as a customer have the right to decide I don't want to use Royal Mail because I deem them to be too unreliable.

The longer this goes on, more and more customers will see Royal Mail as a company you don't give your custom too if you want your letters and parcels delivered in a timely manner and will use the numerous alternatives available even if they cost more.

The Royal Mail workers could have chosen a different time of year to strike but they chose right before Xmas to cause maximum disruption. Generally people are self centered and will not take kindly to their kids Xmas presents not arriving. The fact that they have already been offered a 9% pay rise which they have turned down also won't generate much public sympathy.

I don't know who will cave in first but either way, I think long term these strikes will end up causing many of the Royal Mail workers to lose their jobs.

It isnt a 9% payrise It is a split payrise.

Uther said:
Well as I've said, Primark is taking on...
Much as I support workers right to strike (and a couple of my friends are on their way to a CWU march as we speak...) I suspect that all that will happen here is thousands of RM workers will be getting the boot, and RM will get their own way in the end anyway.

You would think the the RM would realise that and act accordingly.

mid_gen · 9 Dec 2022 at 13:27

Semple said:
So it was basically getting a windfall as majority of the population was at home last year and were ordering all sorts.

RM was generating healthy profits before COVID.

Semple said:
Are energy sector workers also going on strike because the likes of shell were making £1000+ a second? (Which works out as 86 million a day)

Energy sector workers aren't striking because they aren't getting pay cuts and worse working conditions .