Road Cycling

I guess, i'm probably in the minority (especially in this thread) where i think there's probably a higher % of bad cyclists than bad motorists as an overall number of each, and can understand some of the annoyance. The difference being that bad motorists end up causing accidents whereas the bad cyclists (generally) only cause annoyance for others.

The above seems absolutely stupid though. Might as well ban the London Marathon because a runner once ran into a pedestrian knocking them over!

I would disagree. I think people have just been conditioned not to notice bad driving. I know you aren't in the UK any more but if you look for bad driving it is absolutely everywhere.

  • Driving on the wrong side of the road on bends because its easier not to follow the curve of the road properly
  • Speeding constantly. Our road is a 20 and I reckon 50-75% of people are doing over 20 and accelerating quickly once they have turned in. Its a residential street with loads of cars parked either side so perfect for people to step out from behind cars and a textbook example of why we have 20s.
  • Not indicating. Not indicating on the motorway or just sticking the indicator on and going. This is so frequent on the motorway that I see probably 25% of people who pull out cause the driver approaching to have to react to their lane change.
  • Cutting corners as they come into roads
  • Accelerating to beat light and going through red lights
  • Overtaking cyclists too closely and breaking the speed limit to do so
  • Using their phone while they are driving or generally being distracted to the point of not being in full control of the car.
Its literally constant. Its just so accepted in the same way that crashes that hurt and kill are accepted as "accidents" rather than wilful negligence. You wouldn't get away with it in the workplace so why is it fine when you are just driving about.

Cyclists do break the rules but in general, as you say, its not anything like as dangerous but it also sticks out due to the number of cyclists you tend to see and the way they do it. I would wager that most of it is related to jumping red lights. So drivers see a cyclist run a red light and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Delivery riders are also absolutely terrible for cyclists reputations despite a lot of them being on effectively electric mopeds.
 
Yeah, i'd agree with that. I think it is easy to be conditioned to bad driving as you say it's just normalised. I think i'm probably more critical of cyclists as it's not required travel but for personal enjoyment (usually), and generally see a lot of similar traits from cyclists to pedestrians as i do from motorists to cyclists where they can be a law unto themselves. The instance at Richmond is a highlight of this where people fly around trying to beat a Strava segment without really caring about those around them, similar to a motorist going too fast/close past a cyclist.

I'm culpable too. I've read some people on here (although not in this thread i don't think), complaining about cycle lanes because some people cycle too slowly and it ruins their own ride when they want to ride faster and so use the roads. It's no different to a motorist being annoying by a cyclist in the road slowing them up. The difference being the car has no alternative, but the cyclist does. Again i'm guilty of this too, even when the cycle land is perfectly good (and i know many are absolutely pointless), i'll generally ride on the road. And i'm well aware it must be annoying when it's a narrow road with no obvious passing points.

I agree with delivery riders also being probably a big factor. Ultimately the problem and animosity is caused by a small minority on both sides. Most motorists are patient and polite, and equally most cyclists are courteous and considerate. The issue being the extremes on each side where they either think of only themselves and not give a crap about anyone else and then on the flip side are the ones who just pay no attention at all and are oblivious to what's going on around them.
 
is it safe to file carbon? I'm sure it would wreck whatever warranty I have left after changing the groupset but just concerned about the thickness of the Di2 cables in some parts
 
is it safe to file carbon? I'm sure it would wreck whatever warranty I have left after changing the groupset but just concerned about the thickness of the Di2 cables in some parts

Changing the groupset wouldn't void the frame warranty and di2 cables aren't very thick. In fact (goes to get verniers) 2.9mm thick at the connector and 2.1mm thick at the cable. As to filing carbon, it would be fine, you wouldn't be increasing the hole by much. You may void your warranty but I doubt it. You could just argue that it had worn away naturally from the slight movement of the cable. It wouldn't actually affect the carbon. You have to file carbon when you cut fork steerers, its not an issue. I wouldn't go drilling new holes necessarily but enlarging one very slightly that is there already wouldn't concern me.
 
Yeah, I'd only imagine it would be filing the tiniest amount off of the frame to et the wires to pass through.

I've told my partner that I've made the grown up and selfless choice that I will forgo the new bike (for now) as it's not the sensible choice and instead I'll just have to settle for a new group set. Sigh. :p
 
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Yeah, I'd only imagine it would be filing the tiniest amount off of the frame to et the wires to pass through.

I've told my partner that I've made the grown up and selfless choice that I will forgo the new bike (for now) as it's not the sensible choice and instead I'll just have to settle for a new group set. Sigh. :p

Anything to avoid new bike = marriage
 
Another silly question but I can't seem to see anything online one way or another. What is the likelihood of the seat tube being hollowed out to the bottom bracket and chain stays? having fears of popping the BB out and seeing it completely sealed off and being up ***** creek!

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Did notice another pic online of someone with the same frame. Pretty sure that hole should be enough to get the connectors through.
 
Another silly question but I can't seem to see anything online one way or another. What is the likelihood of the seat tube being hollowed out to the bottom bracket and chain stays? having fears of popping the BB out and seeing it completely sealed off and being up ***** creek!

Did notice another pic online of someone with the same frame. Pretty sure that hole should be enough to get the connectors through.

I have never seen a carbon frame that has any sort of blockage between the seat tube and the BB. I can't think of any reason you would. I mean, if you want to check, take the seatpost out and shine a torch down it. I would put my house on it being a clean run to the BB. Then again I have no idea why your bike doesn't have the standard di2 hole near where the FD sits. Even my poverty spec Giant TCR had one!
 
is it safe to file carbon? I'm sure it would wreck whatever warranty I have left after changing the groupset but just concerned about the thickness of the Di2 cables in some parts
make sure you wear a mask.
carbon fillings are extremely tiny, you do not want to breath them in.
hence when cutting steerer you need carbon blade and a mask ;)
 
I have never seen a carbon frame that has any sort of blockage between the seat tube and the BB. I can't think of any reason you would. I mean, if you want to check, take the seatpost out and shine a torch down it. I would put my house on it being a clean run to the BB. Then again I have no idea why your bike doesn't have the standard di2 hole near where the FD sits. Even my poverty spec Giant TCR had one!

Thinking about it logically, they're often moulded aren't they so it would make sense they were hollow. Just feel like I'm panicking and worrying about every little problem I may face along the way.


make sure you wear a mask.
carbon fillings are extremely tiny, you do not want to breath them in.
hence when cutting steerer you need carbon blade and a mask ;)
Deffo think I'd wear a mask and wet the carbon. Then a bit of nail varnish after, i believe. Though hopefully the cables just fit through with ease.

Edit: I'm 99.9% there with the idea. The more I watch the more I think I can do it.


This video also gives me confidence! I think my main hang ups are that I'm just a bit worried about routing the cables correctly but I think if I give myself a weekend or so I should be able to do it all
 
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I would disagree. I think people have just been conditioned not to notice bad driving. I know you aren't in the UK any more but if you look for bad driving it is absolutely everywhere.

  • Driving on the wrong side of the road on bends because its easier not to follow the curve of the road properly
  • Speeding constantly. Our road is a 20 and I reckon 50-75% of people are doing over 20 and accelerating quickly once they have turned in. Its a residential street with loads of cars parked either side so perfect for people to step out from behind cars and a textbook example of why we have 20s.
  • Not indicating. Not indicating on the motorway or just sticking the indicator on and going. This is so frequent on the motorway that I see probably 25% of people who pull out cause the driver approaching to have to react to their lane change.
  • Cutting corners as they come into roads
  • Accelerating to beat light and going through red lights
  • Overtaking cyclists too closely and breaking the speed limit to do so
  • Using their phone while they are driving or generally being distracted to the point of not being in full control of the car.
Its literally constant. Its just so accepted in the same way that crashes that hurt and kill are accepted as "accidents" rather than wilful negligence. You wouldn't get away with it in the workplace so why is it fine when you are just driving about.

Cyclists do break the rules but in general, as you say, its not anything like as dangerous but it also sticks out due to the number of cyclists you tend to see and the way they do it. I would wager that most of it is related to jumping red lights. So drivers see a cyclist run a red light and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Delivery riders are also absolutely terrible for cyclists reputations despite a lot of them being on effectively electric mopeds.
Yes the standard of driving has gone down since mirror signal manoeuvre was removed from the Highway Code and replaced with the Italian method of saying a little Prayer and pulling out.

On topic I’ve started riding a road bike again after 30 years(!). I have had a mountain bike in the interim but am currently very unfit not having cycled for two years. Upon trying my new road bike I was shocked at how easy it was, had no problems doing my ‘old route’ it felt like cheating! No it’s not electric;)
 
This video also gives me confidence! I think my main hang ups are that I'm just a bit worried about routing the cables correctly but I think if I give myself a weekend or so I should be able to do it all

I'll be genuinely impressed if you **** up the cable routing. The battery sits in the seatpost and 2 cables go from there to the FD/RD. Both take the only path possible. Its honestly super easy. I rebuilt an entire bike in an afternoon with 12 speed di2 and thats inc. the faff with bleeding disc brakes etc.
 
I'll be genuinely impressed if you **** up the cable routing. The battery sits in the seatpost and 2 cables go from there to the FD/RD. Both take the only path possible. Its honestly super easy. I rebuilt an entire bike in an afternoon with 12 speed di2 and thats inc. the faff with bleeding disc brakes etc.

100% there is going to be me making this a mountain out a mole hill because it all looks straight forward once you have the right tools. Probably a bit of trial and error with getting the RD/FD on at the correct height etc but I think it all looks logical.

Will be hearing back from our mortgage advisor on Tuesday/Wednesday to find out our next steps. If that all goes to plan then I may try and order this once the autumn kicks in. Kind of works out in my favour as Sigma sell the groupset with a 105 cassette even on the ultegra level. So I'll buy an additional cassette and that 105 one can go on the trainer

Hopefully I can sell my outgoing groupset to reduce some of the cost. Saw one sell on ebay recently for£475 so if I can get £400, I'll take it as a win.
 
Should be fine with that Torque wrench. Just note that some things can require ~40Nm, but you should be ok just just do that by hand. I've never used my torque wrench on my bike. Although i do admit it's a bit foolish given i own one and could be over tightening things.
There's not many things need over 20nM, you're better making sure you have a quality/accurate one for the lower end stuff. That is generally the expensive carbon which is easily broken! Bars/stems/frames etc. The Wiggle/Lifeline M-Part and Jobsworth ones (2-24nM) are good enough for the majority of things with enough range and well priced (£25-40). I've got a big one for something I did fitting stuff on smart trainers which needed 60nM, actually an Amazon Basics. I've used it more on the car... There's a cheap Topeak bar one I use which isn't that accurate, I tend to use it on cleat bolts and only alloy things after I stripped a seat collar with it...

Have to admit I've never used a Torque on a cassette lockring, thru axle or bottom bracket... So 'Man tight' on the bigger things which are metal/alloy and need to be tight, 'finger tight' on stuff which just needs to be snug and you're using fairly regularly like a thru axle. Anything carbon, or small enough to strip threads/easily work loose use a torque, every time. They're usually expensive components, so worth the extra time.

Indexing gears is probably one of the trickiest elements and with DI2/AXS you don't even need to do that.
Yes you do... Certainly when building from scratch... Or need to check and be aware when changing wheels/freehubs/cassettes around!

I should be able to have the cable go down the seat tube and back up through this part here....

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Though I expect i'm going to have to find a solution to block the holes back up as I doubt the DI2 connector would pass through the rubber? Or maybe a very careful cut with a blade
You'll likely find that rubber grommet comes out. It might have a split on the side so you can slide it over a cable, then push it into the frame. Just be aware before you try to yank it off, it may have a collar or some kind under it, so removes from below (which you'll only be able to do with your BB removed), likely just pulls out the top so make changing the cable easy, but it is a Canyon so might not be logical. At least there will be diagrams for it - your one above looks like it just pushes in but there could be a difference between the electronic & mechanical ones.

Di2 cables (certainly SD50) are made 'cable width' with the plugs being 'outer width' so they should fit through frame holes. SD300 is smaller, but you couldn't push it through that grommet without taking it out the frame first. Hopefully it just pushes out and has a split on it, so you can just wrap it around your cable and then push it back in. I'll take a picture of what I did with mine.

We are all far too invested in his di2 upgrade. :p

In other news, I have ordered a 50/34 set of chainrings to replace my 52/36. I have accepted that I am a noodle and that trying to do any sort of easy ride around here with a 36-34 as my easiest gear is just awful. Pushing 300+ watts when trying to do a Z2 ride isn't idea so down I come.
How worn are the 52/36 and any need to keep them? I might be interested...

edit: No, I do need a crank removal tool.
I've got several of the little crappy black plastic shimano ones. Wouldn't pay money for one, they 'cam out' when screwing in so should reach a certain torque (6-8nM?) if you go too far with your fingers. But as they're just plastic, once you've done that a few times they get worn enough that they'll also not grip enough to undo the damn thing when it's tight... I bought a metal version (again another component I don't torque, just as tight as I can!).

I always meant to get the park tools one, although quite an expense it's metal, has ears for easy grip with greasy fingers, as well as having a hex on it to tighten with a torque...

I'm going to sort out the mortgage first (I say I. Our advisor) then I'll look to do this over the winter as a birthday treat to myself :D
It's good to build up a tool 'shopping list' and work your way through items on it. When you're ordering other stuff, just bumping orders up to get free delivery... Or waiting for sales on stuff, etc etc.

Certainly lots of us here with the knowledge to help/advise... And again as I've said before - I'm not a million miles away!

I'll be genuinely impressed if you **** up the cable routing. The battery sits in the seatpost and 2 cables go from there to the FD/RD. Both take the only path possible. Its honestly super easy. I rebuilt an entire bike in an afternoon with 12 speed di2 and thats inc. the faff with bleeding disc brakes etc.
Yup, just wang the cables in.

Reminds me, fairly sure I've got a 1200mm one in my downtube when it only needed to be 800. Just shoved it in. Not even sure I fitted any of those black zip tie like things to stop it moving. Not heard enough of a rattle from it to remind me...!

My carbon frame not designed for electronic (2016 Diverge Comp) had no issue running any cables through it. Next week I'm off work and I do have my 'spare' new 12s Di2 groupset from the smashed bike so could swap it over... Hmm. Did mean to do new hydraulic hoses at the same time so may delay as not got new ones... Then if I'm doing that will switch the calipers over too... But they're flat mount and old frame is post mount so need to hunt down the adaptors which fit. It's never ending isn't it! Yeah, lets not do it next week - better to hassle the LBS to get my new bike and ride that! I need the miles...

Told some Zwift friends I'd do a 200km audax in a few weeks time and I've barely done over 100km the last few months... Certainly only once or twice since May and barely over 70km since I got injured! @Martynt74 watch this space the next couple of weeks on how to do 'panic training' for an all day on the bike :eek: :cry:
 
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How worn are the 52/36 and any need to keep them? I might be interested...

Good question. Groupset has been waxed since day one and its probably done 3000km. When the new ones arrive I will do a comparison. I have spent a lot of that time in the small ring as well as I am a noodle and its very hilly around here. I do all my zwift stuff in the small ring as well. Astonishing how cheap the little rings are compared to the big ones. £10 vs over £100 usually.

Any any rate, i'll get back to you as I can't see any point in keeping them.

I've got several of the little crappy black plastic shimano ones. Wouldn't pay money for one, they 'cam out' when screwing in so should reach a certain torque (6-8nM?) if you go too far with your fingers.

I thought the torque on these was something like 1-2nm. Very light.

Edit: tell a lie, its even less. 0.7 - 1.5 N·m

Are your cranks even moving at 6-nM? :p
 
I’ve been given the official go ahead. You may get more mileage out of the new bike joke but at least I know I should be one joke down in the next month or so


Now di3 will be a thing
 
I’ve been given the official go ahead. You may get more mileage out of the new bike joke but at least I know I should be one joke down in the next month or so


Now di3 will be a thing

You joke but the next gen Dura ace is rumoured to be releasing next year... 13 gears, 20% more complient, 8% faster*

*at 90kph
 
I don’t think I even use all 11 very often now! I just want that sweet sweet 34-34 and to change the screens on my wahoo… twice

Can those buttons be used for shifting like SRAM?
 
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I don’t think I even use all 11 very often now! I just want that sweet sweet 34-34 and to change the screens on my wahoo… twice

Can those buttons be used for shifting like SRAM?

Buttons as in hood buttons? If so, yes. I have the top buttons on my Di2 programmed to shift - right shifter is down (move right) and left is up (moves left) so easy to remember.
 
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