Road Cycling

FrenchTart said:
Not sure I get the issue with turbo miles when people are training to power - often a harder workout than on the road. People like to be elitist though I guess.

That said, I don't really like Zwift counting climbing for indoor riding.
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My point is this : 300w indoors is completely different to 300w outdoors, in terms of speed and therefore distance covered.
It's perfect to ride to intensity indoors but speed, distance and climbing will be significantly higher due to the fact there is no air resistance, wind and real rolling resistance. These metrics shouldn't be included in a riders overall stats.

My other observation is that some riders in the Zwift community appear to have power to weight stats which are significantly higher than the top Pro's.

Wrong data should be kept private to the individual.
 
SDK^ said:
My point is this : 300w indoors is completely different to 300w outdoors, in terms of speed and therefore distance covered.
It's perfect to ride to intensity indoors but speed, distance and climbing will be significantly higher due to the fact there is no air resistance, wind and real rolling resistance. These metrics shouldn't be included in a riders overall stats.
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"i did x minutes on the turbo averaging XXXw"

it's the way forwards.
 
SDK^ said:
My point is this : 300w indoors is completely different to 300w outdoors, in terms of speed and therefore distance covered.
It's perfect to ride to intensity indoors but speed, distance and climbing will be significantly higher due to the fact there is no air resistance, wind and real rolling resistance. These metrics shouldn't be included in a riders overall stats.

My other observation is that some riders in the Zwift community appear to have power to weight stats which are significantly higher than the top Pro's.

Wrong data should be kept private to the individual.
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True /re some of the data on some riders being dodgy as hell but that's not something that is only seen with turbo/Zwift stuff (though admittedly you do see it far more frequently on there).

Speed and distance aren't always higher. It massively depends on the setup you have - much like wind, climbing, traffic, etc affects speed outside. Essentially both riding outside and riding on the turbo is subject to a lot of factors that mean it's virtually impossible to directly compare one ride's miles and speeds to another. Hence why I personally don't have an issue with turbo miles being recorded in principle.
 
Good to see a whole debate about trainer distance and ascent not counting when my post which seemed to kick it all off was done on the roads of my cycling holiday in Morocco, nice tangent :cool:
 
Bear said:
Good to see a whole debate about trainer distance and ascent not counting when my post which seemed to kick it all off was done on the roads of my cycling holiday in Morocco, nice tangent :cool:
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sorry, that was probably my fault. I made the assumption it was indoors as your starva photos are Zwift images :o

I top the OcUK climbing stats last week with real miles :p
 
I posted an article in the running thread about a woman who cheated in a running race and then to try and provide evidence her race was real, cycled the running course later at the correct pace and uploaded it to Strava as a run.:D
 
I will never ever understand the logic behind the thinking of someone who is willing to cheat at any level, never mind at an amateur level. Lying to yourself and having the negative judgement of others rightfully put on you when you get found out for the sake a tiny amount of false glory just baffles me.
Cheating on something like Zwift or Strava and lying to yourself and everyone else surely has to be result of actual mental issues up there.
 
https://www.strava.com/activities/878970623

Had my first Zwift 'race' on Saturday.
A MGCC 'Hang on' ride, 3 laps of London figure of 8 course which featured 3 climbs of Box hill with ever increasing speeds/power. All CAT's listed but in reality CAT A-C. Entered myself as 'D' as didn't have any previous results and was just going to try and pace things to get an average/easy result to start from. I spent the first lap and a half holding 2.5w/kg only for my trainer/ANT+ to drop connection a couple of times so I had to chase back on, burying myself a couple of times as there were big splits between groups already. Once riders started dropping in lap two I found myself chasing splits again, myself and another guy doing some big turns together at 3.5-4w/kg before hitting Box at 4w/kg and trying to hold it, no chance! Smashed my PB on Box by almost a minute but with so few riders around there was nowhere to hide, chugged along solo but I was fairly popped by then so holding 3-3.5w/kg to the end became the primary aim. I dropped back to a group doing 3w/kg to finish with them, 5-6 of us doing some turns with 2-3 others bouncing off the back. One of them fancied a breakaway over the top of Box so I hammered it down, before catching and passing him just before the sprint & holding on to the lead through it. Utterly destroying myself in the process though lol! :D

Really enjoyed it and speaking to several of the regulars 'in game' they were laughing about me being CAT D. One of the leaders even commenting on my Strava that I'm a B 'mid pack'. I know it's Zwift CAT's and no relation to the real world (I'm regularly & easily smashed by club guys who race CAT C/D) but a good foundation/starting ride to at least get an idea of my Zwift ability. Great training too! :)

EDIT: ^^ the above was written before I read about the zdoping. Nicely links in though! I do find my 'average' speeds on zwift higher. When just spinning around the flats are 19-22mph, out on the roads here they'd be 15-17mph.

Vonhelmet said:
You can't just say they should ride any old thing because they're paid for it. If it's not safe, then they shouldn't have to ride it, whatever it is.

And I'd say that potentially a disc has more capacity to cause injury than a broken bone or road rash or whatever. If some bizarre set of circumstances leads you to take a disc to the femoral artery then you are pretty much stone cold dead, however ridiculously unlikely that is. Also, I imagine riders have squared themselves with the risks of crashes, broken bones, etc and can deal with that mentally, while discs are a new thing and hence are that bit more scary.
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Not singling you out Von, just happened to be the post I quoted. I don't believe 'Fear of the unknown' can really be used as an excuse when you've got guys descending mountains at 60mph on the absolute edge, as anything can happen. The reality of being cut by a disc is just as unlikely as being cut by a chainring or cassette.

I believe the 'fear' in the peloton is mostly lead by those 'classic' riders who generically dislike change. The ones who dragged their heels even getting electronic shifting, power meters or even stopping using amphetamines to boost performance. They're just that stuck in the past. It's right that the riders should 'stick together', but that should go both ways - they chose to race without any rule changes of the motorbikes in the peloton and Antoine Demoitie got killed. The number of motorbike related crashed has escalated so highly and quickly in recent years I'm utterly amazed nothing more has been done. Even if you just look at the grand tours & classics the numbers of motorbike/vehicle related 'incidents' is really high - Froome & Porte last year is probably the one which most will remember. I recall Viviani broke a bone in his hand fairly recently after a motorbike ran into him, not to mention Stig Broeckx, Sagan at the Vuelta 15, Jesse Sargent in Flanders & Jakob Fulgstang. And those are just the ones I recall/remember seeing & reading about.

I've digressed, sorry lol

EDIT: To me the riders being killed/injured by motorbikes is such a high number that I find it so 'disjointed' that they'll happily pull discs (which are still a 'trial' remember) after a couple of guys have to miss a few races due to cuts, rather than crack down on motorbikes/service cars which are ending lives/seasons.
One More Solo said:
Man this thread is going downhill so rapidly even discs wouldn't stop it...

Back on topic, I have an Exposure Strada and can't fault it at all so far. Expensive but worth it for the peace of mind, my old CREE jobby died without warning a few too many times for my liking.
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Lol @ disc comment ;)

Thanks for the feedback on the Strada. I'm just using this opportunity to 'upgrade' from 800 lumen as the couple of times I've ridden on the open road with it in poor conditions it isn't quite 'enough' when doing over 15mph kinda speeds.
Saytan said:
it always used to be that turbo work was counted in time ("I did 45 minutes on the turbo last night") - I think strava and the like started people counting turbo use in distance
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Not to mention the advent of 'smart' turbos. Before then most turbo work was similar to rollers - fixed resistance efforts.
FrenchTart said:
That said, I don't really like Zwift counting climbing for indoor riding.
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I quite happily include Zwift/SF/TR miles in my totals, if anything it's a harder workout! Have to admit I'm finding Zwift climbing 'easier' - your speed onscreen is just calculated against your effort, in the real world you can't back the effort off as much and still be 'climbing', I'd be falling over! :D ;)
Calpol said:
Strava cocked up - it initially registered the ride as a run!
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Even though it's now a ride, the segment's and times are still on run. Weird. Re-upload or ticket it if you're fussed. Some nice KOM's that'll soon get the ride flagged by some angry runners so don't be surprised if it 'vanishes'. :rolleyes:
 
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xdcx said:
I will never ever understand the logic behind the thinking of someone who is willing to cheat at any level, never mind at an amateur level. Lying to yourself and having the negative judgement of others rightfully put on you when you get found out for the sake a tiny amount of false glory just baffles me.
Cheating on something like Zwift or Strava and lying to yourself and everyone else surely has to be result of actual mental issues up there.
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It's not cheating it's taking the mick. ie average speed 50ph even uphill, thousands of miles without even a break. lol
 
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