Robert Kubica has suffered "serious injuries"

And yet a lot of the time (especially early to mid 2003(?)) Ralf Schumacher was quicker than him. Does not compute.

Ralf beat Montoya in 2001 (JP's first F1 season), Montoya finished with more points in every other season they raced in the same car. Even in 2001, he'd have probably beaten Ralf if he'd actually finished more than six races (!).
 
And yet a lot of the time (especially early to mid 2003(?)) Ralf Schumacher was quicker than him. Does not compute.

Ralf beat Juan in the championship when they were team-mates just the once. That would be Montoya's first F1 season. After that, Ralf never really had the measure of him again except on the odd occasion. And after his US GP smash in '04 his career was pretty much done. Juan could have had many more years in F1 at that stage, but made the mistake of going to McLaren.

By the way, 2003 wouldn't be the example you were looking for. That year, he made the podium 8 times in a row in the middle of the season ;)

But anyway, I wouldn't place much emphasis on his Champ Car and Indy 500 wins, CART was on it's last legs and the Indy 500 was a joke by then.

Montoya won the Champ Car title in '99. It wasn't until 2000 that the series started to slide a bit, and 2001 saw the real turning point (the cancelled race at Texas being the catalyst). The Penske and Ganassi teams became full-time Indy Racing League teams for 2001, Andretti not long after that.

As for the Indy 500 being a joke - really not sure about that. It had been an IRL-only event since the CART/IRL break-up in 1996, and 2000 was the first time that Tony George had managed to get a CART team to show up to the race. The fact that this CART team - Ganassi - turned up and dominated the race (Montoya led 167 of 200 laps IIRC) says more about the quality of Ganassi's preparation than it does about the quality of the event.

I've always felt Montoya was overrated, his reputation mainly being there due to one overtaking move in Brazil 2001. There are too many excuses for his many bad races he had in F1.

He had some appalling reliability to contend with in his time in F1. Take 2001 - he retired 11 times that year, and 7 of those were down to the car breaking IIRC (and of the remainder, at least once he was taken out by someone else - Verstappen in Brazil).

He still holds a few records in F1 I believe - fastest lap ever recorded in a Formula 1 car (pre-qualifying for the '04 Italian GP, average speed of over 162mph), and he still holds the lap record at the Turkish GP circuit. I don't see how his talent or speed could be questioned. His temperament, absolutely :) And maybe he was a bit hard on the car (though as I pointed out abpve the Williams FW23 was hardly a paragon of reliability, and the McLarens that he drove weren't bullet-proof either).

He came along at a time when the Ferrari-Schumacher juggernaut was getting into its stride, and by the time that ended he found himself in a McLaren team built around Kimi up against The Daddy™ in a Renault team that was doing a better job than everyone else. So he buggered off to go have fun again in NASCAR. Can't say that I blame him.
 
I think Ross Brawn said it best when he said "he has no class.' (I don't believe any other driver of his time has been described in those terms by any of the leading F1 peeps).

I think that sums up Montoya for me perfectly. Much rather see him winning American races then be related to F1 IMO.
 
Not only that Frank I doubt Kubica will be getting paid now.

Purely my own theory but I imagine as team owners/sponsors are so keen to get certain drivers, that when they specifically want to do stuff that would normally be prohibited and have it written in, then I imagine the team says get hurt and you won't get paid.

Montoya got hurt on a motorcross bike when that was not allowed and the team (Ron) washed their hands of him within minutes.

I think it's fair enough, the drivers get paid millions per year and sponsors switch teams to put money behind a driver. The last thing they want is a driver having 12 months out due to getting hurt in a dangerous sport/past time.

Well Im sure Kubica is fine about not being paid - he IS alive after all

The team sueing him for loss of earnings might not be so easy to understand

If he was doing it behind their backs thats one thing (not that he would), but he did it with their full knowledge - so I hope every eventuallity is covered (at least then it wont be any surprise IF the team HAVE to take him to court - even if it ends up with out of court settlement, process wil probably have to be started for both sides pov)


Only driver to win the Champ Car title, Indy 500 and Daytona 24 hrs, all in his first attempt at them.
One of two drivers to win the Champ Car title in his rookie year (the other was Nigel Mansell in '93).
30 podium finishes in 94 F1 starts.
7 F1 wins.
2 wins in NASCAR Cup competition.

I'd say he can drive pretty well, myself ;)


He could drive for sure - whether he got the most out of the equipment he was given at every opportunity.....thats something entirely different (some of those podiums really should have had better positions for instance)

He was always better in a Champ Car than he ever really was in F1

Teams take out insurance against potential losses from their drivers being injured(and not just from participating in F1) so Renualt are covered just fine.
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Actually there MAY be a HUGE problem. I think everyone here would agree that over a season Kubica would slaughter Heidfeld in the same car - there fore (imo) there is danger in Renault HAVING to go after RK to get back the loss of income not only from the points total but also potentially from the sponsors also.

Admittedly it would be hard to classify how much better RK is, and therefore what position he would finish in at each race, but I would be Very surprised if it doesnt come up at some point
 
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Massa? Really?
Can't see anything in Massa that is like Montoya to be honest! Or is it just that they are both from South America? :p

They can both do that funny grumpy face.

Right we have 2 similarities there! :p

What I was really thinking of was Massa's first season at Sauber where he was a bit mental, on the one hand fast but on the other too aggressive for his age and experience. So after a year as a test driver at Ferrari they turned him into some weird fly by wire robot driver. Montoya was similarly aggressive but had time to develop into an individual (and fairly entertaining) style that lead him to getting some very good race wins, and some hilarious mistakes (still cant get over him ploughing into the back of a Jordan for more or less the reason of it was there to be hit)
 
If the Beardmeister, Senna and Liuzzi are all F1 currently has to call on in a crisis, that ain't saying much... I suppose there the Hulk too, but there's no real experience there either.

Can't see it being anyone but Heidfeld really.

Ralf Schumacher is still sitting by his phone... :D

I so want Ralf back in F1. I need someone other than Massa to laugh at.
 
They isn't what I said. I didn't say they didn't use the body or did much I said far less feel is required in the hands and feet, which is why they can ride with so many injuries.

well you did actually say they didnt have as much to do and not just had less feeling
they have to get all the feelings though 2 little patches of rubber and not 4 big wide tyres so i`d say they can feel a hell of a lot more that you think
very few ride well with injuries its just there tuff nuts and want to ride
im sure if he can grip the wheel and press the buttons he will be racing again
 
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Would be funny to see Ralf "3rd best driver in the world" back in the sport, personally I think it should go to Senna as he is the reserve driver and that's what they are there for.
 
Surprise. Fauxtus Renault will be running Petrov, Senna and Heidfeld in Jerez. Soulds like whoever is faster between Senna and Heidfeld will get the race seat.
 
Would be funny to see Ralf "3rd best driver in the world" back in the sport, personally I think it should go to Senna as he is the reserve driver and that's what they are there for.

Um, no its not.

Reserve drivers are there to allow the team to keep hold of their sponsorship money and store them up for possible use in the future. Why else do you think teams bother having 2 or even 3 'reserve' drivers when there is no in season testing.
 
*inhales*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo............

In other news, all the teams have all put 'Get well soon Robert' in Polish on their front wings - here's McLarens'. Nice gesture.

Yes all the teams seem to have it somewhere on their cars. Is a nice gesture and is put nicely by the Virgin twitter feed: It's really good to see the support that all teams are giving Robert. We are like a big family, with a lot of sibling rivalry!

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