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Alexrose1uk said:
Another thing to note on the HardwareLuxx review vs Anandtech's is the RAM speed is different.

HardwareLuxx ran the ram at 3600MHz (which is essentially overclocked), whilst Anandtech ran the tests at 3200MHz which is stock for both AMD and Intel this gen. That may also account for some differences between the two tests.
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HardwareLuxx used 3600 ram but ran it at 3200 C14. Anandtech ran their ram at 3200 C20 as that is JEDEC spec.
 
Ah I missed that, although that latency difference is high; I've not read HardwareLuxx's review yet, but I noted the spec was a bit different from word go.
 
Curlyriff said:
Fair enough but why bother with even a single 720p test on a laptop which for all purpose is like a console where you'll get a whole new machine and not upgrade the CPU or GPU when they are dated. That data is really pointless.

And fair enough. At least my real world element on things that have been GPU bound you are generally about 3 generations before you are no longer CPU bound.

I would also say for games dev for most part the load has been more GPU consistent in being still bound because for most part games up till last few years didn't make huge elemental changes in cores and the IPC increase we've had for a lot of Intel side has been mimimal also.

It might be more of a factor now as things are changing but I'm still really not interested in the 720p. If I am still getting recent frames from the next two generations of GPUs whilst using same CPU the gains are not worth the outlay. Of course this depends on your resolution, graphic settings and Hz your targeting.

I can't judge if I need to upgrade my CPU on 480p and 720p data though. Only for me for instance on 1440p and 4k because my resolution sits between them and I need to know if CPU there changes how likely I'm to achieve 144fps solid with my GPU.
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Sure. but this is another reason why this matters, there has been so much criticism of Intel not being able to beat their previous generation.

Is that true though? :)

humbug said:
If they both have the same RAM speed i don't see how that makes a difference, i think Zen still responds a little better to higher clock RAM than Intel?

Look at this. The first image, 1080P you would think they are all roughly the same performance with the 10700K being slightly faster. This is where you can say "Intel can't even beat thier previous gen" Fail and all that....
The truth is this is a GPU bottleneck and the small differences are margins of error. the 10700K is 2% faster than the 11700K. or is it?

The second image is at 720P, now the 11700K is 11% faster than the 10700K, this is the true performance difference.

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humbug said:
Sure. but this is another reason why this matters, there has been so much criticism of Intel not being able to beat their previous generation.

Is that true though? :)
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Again looking at those graphs though I still wouldn't be buying a 11700k cause it doesn't out perform its older version at something I am actually going to do which is play a game at 1080p rather than 720p. The true performance difference is true for both instances, not just for 720p because both are performance metrics. One is just better than another at something particular. The problem being the 720p win for the 11700k is completely irrelevant because it wont be used at that resolution.

I mean you could also have picked this graph which shows that at 384p the 11700k is even worse again so yeah I would say it is still true that Intel haven't beaten their previous CPU and they have at best matched the previous CPU at resolutions that nobody plays at and loose out when the resolution is actually relevant.

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Curlyriff said:
Again looking at those graphs though I still wouldn't be buying a 11700k cause it doesn't out perform its older version at something I am actually going to do which is play a game at 1080p rather than 720p. The true performance difference is true for both instances, not just for 720p because both are performance metrics. One is just better than another at something particular. The problem being the 720p win for the 11700k is completely irrelevant because it wont be used at that resolution.

I mean you could also have picked this graph which shows that at 384p the 11700k is even worse again so yeah I would say it is still true that Intel haven't beaten their previous CPU and they have at best matched the previous CPU at resolutions that nobody plays at and loose out when the resolution is actually relevant.

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You can't win them all. :) Well..... hum? yea.
 
Curlyriff said:
Why should you have to find a difference in product though. If it is showing that at the moment for those laptops the CPU doesn't matter out the two and it is GPU bound I can select what is cheapest and be fine. It isn't even in the likes of a laptop you will upgrade the GPU so the performance is what it is in real tasks. You don't go through everything and say oh well there isn't any differences I need to change the useful data set to show differences to un-useful data because people will think I am not doing it right. What would on that laptop do to show if you changed things to 480 or 720 resolution because it isn't like it will magically improve in 3 years where the GPU isn't a bottleneck because you wont be changing it.
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Let us imagine I'm playing a game, something like satisfactory or Fortresscraft. One of those games that start simple and ends with you building an insanely complex mechanical monstrosity. Or kerbal.

I'd want to know from reviews which CPU will allow me to build the most complex, insane things and remain usable.
 
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