Hopefully this speeds up Hodgson's departure but realistically I think this means he'll be here during the transfer window (unless things get worse!).
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Hopefully this speeds up Hodgson's departure but realistically I think this means he'll be here during the transfer window (unless things get worse!).
I suppose appointing somebody like Comolli and having a clear overall plan regarding transfers would allow the club to stick with Hodgson (rightly or wrongly) until the summer (where they'd be better place to appoint a new manager), without having to sacrfice the January transfer window.
The flip side to that is keeping Hodgson for the rest of the season and how successful a Director of Football will be at the club.
The flip side to that is keeping Hodgson for the rest of the season and how successful a Director of Football will be at the club.
I disagree. Looking at everything NESV have done at Boston and what they're already doing at Liverpool, it's clear that Hodgson isn't the man for them.
I looks like it's only a matter of time before Hodgson is replaced and at the latest, he'll be gone by the summer. I'd imagine that his stay of execution is simply down to finding the right man to replace him.
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I agree with you Baz and I'll be suprised if Hodgson even gets as long as you're suggesting. I think NESV have been planning to replace him all along, but want to get people pinned down in the club hierachy first, like director of football and presumeably chief executive.
If the right man was avaliable to replace him, I'm sure they'd do it now. If not then there's little gained sacking him and appointing a caretaker or settling for 2nd best.
I said the summer as the latest as that's when it would be easiest to find a suitable replacement.
I said the summer as the latest as that's when it would be easiest to find a suitable replacement.
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Thought this was an interesting read:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/9156815.stm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/9156815.stm
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Was it Comolli that appointed Ramos? And even if it was, he was a proven top class manager and I seriously doubt there were too many people that didn't think he'd do a good job.
I'm personally not too keen on Director of Football type positions. In theory it's great; you've got 1 person specialising and focusing 100% on recruiting the best players available, while the manager/coach is able to focus 100% on the job of managing the team he has. However too often though, and it appeared to be the case with Comolli at Spurs, the Director of Football and the manager don't share the same vision for the club.
Ultimately how successful this arrangment will be, will rest on Comolli's relationship with whoever our manager is so it would make perfect sense that he plays a big part in choosing that manager.
I'm personally not too keen on Director of Football type positions. In theory it's great; you've got 1 person specialising and focusing 100% on recruiting the best players available, while the manager/coach is able to focus 100% on the job of managing the team he has. However too often though, and it appeared to be the case with Comolli at Spurs, the Director of Football and the manager don't share the same vision for the club.
Ultimately how successful this arrangment will be, will rest on Comolli's relationship with whoever our manager is so it would make perfect sense that he plays a big part in choosing that manager.
You'd have to ask a Spurs fan for specifics, but I believe that whilst "hiring" might be a little too strong a word, he definitely had a fair hand in getting Ramos appointed.
Though to counter, Ramos, "top class"? Really? The only success he's ever had (bar the League Cup with Spurs) was a few cups with Sevilla.
Going by stats he's about par with Hodgson.
Though to counter, Ramos, "top class"? Really? The only success he's ever had (bar the League Cup with Spurs) was a few cups with Sevilla.
Going by stats he's about par with Hodgson.
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Isn't Roy giving guys like Pacheco(can't think what the spelling is right now) who loads of fans were giving Benitez grief for not giving a try? Spearing, Kelly(if I'm thinking of the right team).
The entire basis for Roy doesn't care about the youth setup seems to be... he sent Babel to train with the youngsters, and he split the youngsters off from the seniors, like most clubs have it set up. Why do they do that, because your first team doesn't really improve if they're practicing with 15 year old fairly crap players with potential.
All the Arsenal training sessions I've seen have a couple of the almost ready youth players who get some training sessions, but by and large its the first team squad who train together, and youth separately, or is Wenger anti youth aswell.
He's got a different style to Benitez, and Babel I saw as giving him an incentive to put more effort into his football than his rap, by embarassing him, maybe it will work, maybe it won't, I hardly see those things as proof he's only about the short term.
He bought Konchesky, who should he have bought, Insua's tried to leave for 2 seasons, 3 maybe, but stalled on wages every time, the club needed cash, I hardly think that was Roy's decision, he went for circa 5 mil, the club wanted cash, do you think he had 10mil to spend on a non existant world class available left back? He got a short term solution because there wasn't a long term solution, again, hardly proof he doesn't care about the long term.
Fulham were a game or two from being relegated, he didn't buy expensive players instantly who could kill the club if they got relegated, he thought short term, then built much of the team thats been doing very well still.
People are making excuses, I don't think theres a manager out there who could definately win against Chelsea, not a single one, with Liverpools squad, I don't think theres a manager out there that couldn't fluke a win, thats life. Firing him for losing at Chelsea would be retarded.
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Duno if its been posted before, but Roy's pre-Fulham CV shows enough why he shouldn't be at pool
1976-80 Assistant Coach Hamlstadt
80-82 Unemployed
1982 Got Job as Bristol City manager sacked after 20 games just 3 wins
1983-89 Coached as Assistant at Malmo Orebro
1989-92 Coached Neuchatel Xamax where he won 29 out of 72 games
1992-95 Swiss coach did well winning half games 21 out of 41
1995-97 Managed Inter one of the biggest clubs in Italy won just 38 of his 87 games
1997-98 Blackburn Manager sacked won 22 out of 62 games
1998- Back to Inter lasted just 3 games
1999-2000 Grasshopper sacked after one season winning just 14 of 36 games
2000-2001 Copenhagen His most successful spell but still lasted just one season winning a respectable 18 out of 35
2001-2001 Didn’t even last a full season at Udinese
2002-2004 UAE Manger winning just 4 games in this period
2004-2005 Viking manager lasted just one season
2006-2007 Finland Manager lasted just one year
Yup, Inter who were truly crap before he came in, he took over while the team were doing badly, got them back into Europe and actually did VERY well at Inter, but don't let that stop you or anything. He was seemingly fired for not winning the Uefa cup final, yup, he took them from doing very badly to qualifying to a Uefa cup final(sound familiar). This was at a time when, a couple years later they fired a hugely popular manager who was manager of the year at the time. Inter were pretty crap in the 90's, despite some Uefa cup wins, up and down firing managers left right and centre.
He was then CARETAKER MANAGER at inter in 99 after they went mental and saked the previous manager who had won manager of the year the previous season, he was never meant to be there long and wasn't fired.
edit:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993–94_Serie_A
Inter were a single point off relegation just over a year before he took over.
PS read up on what he did at Blackburn, a team almost relegated he took them over got them into, yup, the uefa cup(maybe you should realise you have a manager who has a habit of getting anyone into the uefa cup, no matter how crap the team).
Then you'll realise he was fired after the second season went badly, Hendry left, lots of injuries and his star buy turned into a flop, who 13 years later is still going strong at Bolton, calld Kevin Davies, so he actually wasn't wrong about him.
SO he actually did really well at Blackburn, and really well at Inter, and was asked back to help out in an emergency(because they hated him so much obviously) and now he's done really really well at Fulham, shockingly bad CV.
You missed out he took a 8th/7th placed side in previous years and won the title with Copenhagen, and left because he had an offer from Udinese, seriously, you have to read why he got fired from that job, its ruddy hilarious. He's honest about the crap jobs he took after that, though he did ok, and Finland who have NEVER qualified for a major tournament he did incredibly well with, since then Fulham, he's had a pretty good career with Udinese as his only blip.
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Though to counter, Ramos, "top class"? Really? The only success he's ever had (bar the League Cup with Spurs) was a few cups with Sevilla.
Going by stats he's about par with Hodgson.
The job he done at Sevilla was incredible. Back to back Uefa cups (plus 3 more Cups) and taking them into the CL. At the time he was 1 of the most highly regarded managers around. What's Hodgson done to put him on par with that?
@DM: No Hodgson hasn't given Pacheco a chance, in fact he's been totally frozen out and he began to break into the squad towards the end of last season under Benitez. Benitez also brought Kelly into the first team squad and would have featured far more last season had it not have been for injury.
Hodgson has given Spearing his first real chance (although he got a few games under Benitez) but he's nearly 22 now and not really an up and coming youngster, and ultimately no where near good enough. In giving Spearing games, it's stopped a younger, far bigger prospect and already a better player in Shelvey getting a real chance to play.
As for the idea that Hodgson has no interest in youth; there's a lot more than he's seperating the senior players from the the youngsters (in fact he's not even done that, not sure where you got that idea
). It's more to do with the fact that throughout his career he's never been a manager that's trusted or given a chance young players, nor has he looked to sign up and coming players but instead looked to sign experienced players.Look at the deal to sign Konchesky; loaned out (effectively released as his contract is up in the summer) a decent young LB in Insua and bowed down to Fulham's demands to sign 2 promising youth players (1 extremely highly thought of) all so that we could sign an average but experienced LB in Konchesky. Had we done all that so we could sign a Cole or Evra then fair enough. Hodgson had no thought whatsoever to the bigger picture, he was more interested in the short term, and it's the same with Brad Jones and Poulsen.
And stop the Insua wanted to leave crap. There has never been any indication that Insua wanted to leave the club at all. In fact he rejected 2 moves away from the club this summer and made it clear he wanted to stay. In the end he was completely frozen out and not even given a squad number before finally giving up and leaving on loan. And as above, he left on loan and is out of contract in the summer. We didn't get a penny for him let alone £5m.
He did a good job at Sevilla, and he was a fairly well rated. Two UEFA Cups, one Spanish League Cup, and a couple of Charity Shield-alikes. That's alright, but I wouldn't call it incredible, by any stretch of the imagination.
Won stuff? Has virtually identical win and points-per-game ratios?
I didn't want to get snookered into defending Hodgson because then I'll just be fighting a battle against all the Liverpool fans on here who don't like him, when all I wanted to do was poke a bit of fun at the recruitment of Comolli.
I didn't want to get snookered into defending Hodgson because then I'll just be fighting a battle against all the Liverpool fans on here who don't like him, when all I wanted to do was poke a bit of fun at the recruitment of Comolli.
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Has Roy actualy won something apart from the sun alliance free gift for over 50's
I did wonder! I was going to ask what Ramos had done of note since, other than finish bottom in the Spanish Old Firm League Mark 2.I meant pre-spurs Ramos
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I had any kind of magical foresight that meant I always knew Ramos would be rubbish (Unfortunately I do not possess Nickg/drunkenmaster powers
), he just didn't turn out particularly well, and you'd expect Comolli to have more insight than a bunch of people on the internet.Anyway, all you're doing is ruining my attempt to make fun of Liverpool and Tottenham in the same thread. Stop it.
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