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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So the only way for a price reduction to happen,is for people not to buy them.
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I think this is what needed to happen for the RTX 3080 TI, 3090 and 3090 TI, but customers decided not to and here we are. People are still buying cards like the RTX 3080 for £700-£800 new, the RTX 3070 for ~£550 and the RTX 3070 TI for £600.
 
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g67575 said:
I think this is what needed to happen for the RTX 3080 TI, 3090 and 3090 TI, but customers decided not to and here we are. People are still buying cards like the RTX 3080 for £700-£800 new, the RTX 3070 for ~£550 and the RTX 3070 TI for £600.
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Who is? 3080 is eol and 3070ti is festering on shelves. Miners/scalpers/covid caused gpu shotage, no such thing now hence stores full of ada and rdna 3.
 
Darujhistan said:
So this gens 60 card (not even the ti) costs £750?

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It's based off a single unreliable source (MLID). He picked a figure out the air, probably the worst /highest price he thought was possible (better to overestimate than underestimate, so you can pedal back later).

What people need to understand is that they are only interested in releasing regular content (to keep their YT channels alive), that is relevant to people at the time. Just like RedGamingTech, it doesn't even have to be based on any facts.
 
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You'd think AMD /Nvidia would have to charge prices that can at least compete with used prices of their own last gen. products. Prices for a used RTX 3080 10GB + warranty are between £525-£700 (£650 for an FE). With the cheapest 3080 TI priced at £650. With the prices likely to fall a little further, once the RTX 4070 is available.

Otherwise, the market will just break, and they will only be selling high end cards to whale customers - tbh this is what AMD has done so far with RDNA3 desktop cards. I kind of agree with HWunboxed that if the 7900 XT is reduced to $700 ($750 seems more likely), we might see some more competitive pricing for the new cards, but I doubt AMD would do this before launching Navi32 GPUs.

The 7900 XT has a lot of VRAM (20GB), so this card is clearly intended to be sold to high resolution gamers, with large wallets. It would be interesting to see how a similar card with 12/16GB of VRAM would fare, but so far it has been a pretty half a***d job from AMD.

Maybe AMD is hoping that the whole RDNA3 series will look much more favourable when FSR3 is released?
 
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It looks like AMD is struggling with implementing a few aspects of FSR3, unfortunately:

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No launch date or estimate, so I assume it won't be ready until Q3/Q4 2023... Maybe they are just worried about the negative reception that DLSS3/frame gen has received by some gamers, due to visual artifacts and (somewhat) higher latency.

Personally, I think it's a very promising technology, particularly for achieving smoother framerates on consoles without having to degrade the image resolution - I'd be surprised if we don't see similar technologies implemented in console games in the next 2-3 years.
 
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g67575 said:
Personally, I think it's a very promising technology, particularly for achieving smoother framerates on consoles without having to degrade the image resolution - I'd be surprised if we don't see similar technologies implemented in console games in the next 2-3 years.
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I think everything AMD work on is aimed at the next console gpu. The next console gpu will be a reworked 7900/8800/9800 style chiplet gpu, cheap to manufacture silicon that heavily relies upon upscaling and frame generation to give smooth gameplay for 4k tvs.

The high price of gpus will surely be driving millions of people to just buy a console and everytime that happens AMD get another sale. This may be another reason that AMD do not want to undercut Nv on prices, high prices for PC gpus benefits AMD just as much as Nv.
 
Haz123 said:
The high price of gpus will surely be driving millions of people to just buy a console and everytime that happens AMD get another sale. This may be another reason that AMD do not want to undercut Nv on prices, high prices for PC gpus benefits AMD just as much as Nv.
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I hadn't thought of that, but it makes a lot of sense.
 
Haz123 said:
I think everything AMD work on is aimed at the next console gpu. The next console gpu will be a reworked 7900/8800/9800 style chiplet gpu, cheap to manufacture silicon that heavily relies upon upscaling and frame generation to give smooth gameplay for 4k tvs.

The high price of gpus will surely be driving millions of people to just buy a console and everytime that happens AMD get another sale. This may be another reason that AMD do not want to undercut Nv on prices, high prices for PC gpus benefits AMD just as much as Nv.
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Possibly but sounds rather counter productive. Spend millions developing pc dGPUs to persuade people into buying consoles...
My bet is that a reason for the high prices is AMD probably didn't think they would be because to keep up with demand if they priced much lower (or they think people will just buy Nvidia regardless). TBF the reference 7900xtx isn't too bad, atleast matches the price point of the 6900xt though the 7900xt should have been the 7800xt imo and priced at $700 max
 
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