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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?
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I got it wrong actually, the RTX 4070 TI 'Required System Power' is 700w.
600w for the RTX 4070 according to this:
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600w for the RTX 4070 according to this:
Inno3D GeForce RTX 4070 graphics card to feature one 8-pin power connector - VideoCardz.com
Inno3D RTX 4070 with 8-pin power connector A picture of the RTX 4070 packaging confirms rumors. The Inno3D RTX 4070 non-Ti graphics card will indeed have an 8-pin power connector. This is a confirmation of a 1-day-old rumor that some RTX 4070 cards may appear without the new 16-pin (12VHPWR...
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It's really hard to recommend the RTX 4090 to anyone, except if money is no object. It's just 25% more powerful than the already overpriced RTX 4080.
The 4090 TI will be a better option anyway, if people are going to spend that kind of money, although trading in an RTX 4090 would be easy to do at places like CEX. But it may be another year before they announce that card. Probably RTX 4080 or 4070 TI > RTX 4090 TI would be a more worthwhile upgrade.
In terms of shaders, there's a 12.5% increase between the RTX 4090 (16384 shaders) and the maximum possible amount on AD102 (18432).
The 4090 TI will be a better option anyway, if people are going to spend that kind of money, although trading in an RTX 4090 would be easy to do at places like CEX. But it may be another year before they announce that card. Probably RTX 4080 or 4070 TI > RTX 4090 TI would be a more worthwhile upgrade.
In terms of shaders, there's a 12.5% increase between the RTX 4090 (16384 shaders) and the maximum possible amount on AD102 (18432).
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Regarding the $750 price rumours, I think that is much more likely to be the new target price for the RTX 4070 TI, when the 4070 launches.
Especially because the RX 7900 XT (which had a price cut) is very competitive with the RTX 4070 TI.
Especially because the RX 7900 XT (which had a price cut) is very competitive with the RTX 4070 TI.
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Not sure yet, increases in inflation would suggest a price of ~£600 for the RTX 4070 FE.
It depends if Nvidia decides to make the xx70 tier even vaguely affordable, or not.
I think I doubt I'll buy a new card from Nvidia ever again, if they price it over £600.
I'm sure there's lots of people who couldn't get a RTX 3080 FE last time around (or couldn't afford an aib RTX 3080), because of the poor availability in the first year or so.
My gut is telling me that the sky is the limit for the TI branded cards on launch, Nvidia believes people will pay for TIs.
It depends if Nvidia decides to make the xx70 tier even vaguely affordable, or not.
I think I doubt I'll buy a new card from Nvidia ever again, if they price it over £600.
I'm sure there's lots of people who couldn't get a RTX 3080 FE last time around (or couldn't afford an aib RTX 3080), because of the poor availability in the first year or so.
My gut is telling me that the sky is the limit for the TI branded cards on launch, Nvidia believes people will pay for TIs.
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@g67575 Thing is though that the whole inflation thing is something the money "experts" can't agree on. It's an overused excuse to keep prices soaring. Remember when we were told that the food prices would rise solely because of price hikes on fuel? Then the fuel prices came somewhat back down again yet the food prices keep creeping up. I'm not saying that we don't have a high inflation rate, but instead that it is also being used as a tool to fool the gullible. At this point I'm just expecting everything in the press to be a big fat lie or strongly twisted "truth".
750 for a 4070? forget about it.. 600 for a 4070? forget about it. You know what ... just
750 for a 4070? forget about it.. 600 for a 4070? forget about it. You know what ... just
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Well inflation is apparently going to come down a lot by the end of the year, so they won't won't be able to blame high prices on that anymore...
There's other factors too like the cost of fabricating 5nm GPUs, additional L2 cache, increased VRAM amount, type of VRAM, and the coolers themselves, but these things shouldn't lead to ~a 50% price increase, as some have suggested ($500 to $750).
There's other factors too like the cost of fabricating 5nm GPUs, additional L2 cache, increased VRAM amount, type of VRAM, and the coolers themselves, but these things shouldn't lead to ~a 50% price increase, as some have suggested ($500 to $750).
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I dunno, all things considered, the 4090 cost is 25% more than the 4080 (using FE prices - as the AIB world is a scrabble betyween retailers and the middle men for deals). Extra performance is much more linear with cost this gen 25% increase in cost for 25% extra perf, though to use it you need to be high end VR or 4k. No free performance this time round from going big with the 4090.
4090ti a better option? Unless the ti offers a higher % in performance compared to it's increase in cost - hard to say whether it's gonna be a better option. Will be interesting to see.
There is also cost cutting going on. They are using a smaller 106 die for the 70 class instead of a 104 and 192 bus instead of 256.
Last gen the 3070 matched the halo Turing card in performance with the 3070ti beating it by 5-10% yet this time the 4070ti is 5% slower and the 4070 is only rumoured to only match a 3080 so its insulting that they are asking more money for less than the traditional performance level that 70 class cards offered.
If Nvidia want to push up the prices then they need to be backing it up with big performance gains but so far 4090 aside its been a rather weak generation at best.
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But but but Jensen showed me the special slides that show it is eleventythirty times faster than the previous generation. Did he manipulate the figure to make it look better than it actually is ?
My faith in humanity has been crushed. If you cannot trust the CEO of a muilti billion dollar company who are trying to sell you stuff then who can you trust. I just found a televangelist on tv who seems like a nice chap , apparently I have a witch living next door and he can cast her out so I have to send him all my money to save my soul and we all know soul>gpu so no money for Nv.
Well, I don't know about below the RTX 4070, couldn't give a toss because I don't think they will be worth upgrading to (unless playing games on a 1080p monitor). The RTX 3060 TI (or 6700 XT) still performs very well at 1080p, though so an upgrade would be questionable.
But the RTX 4070 is based on AD104 as far as anyone can tell.
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Caporegime
But remember this generation,we have the AD103 on desktop,so:
1.)AD102=GA102(RTX3090TI/RTX3090 20GB to RTX4090 24GB)
2.)AD103=GA104(RTX3070TI 8GB to RTX4080 16GB and RTX3060TI/RTX3070 8GB to RTX4070TI 12GB)
3.)AD104=GA106(RTX3060 12GB to RTX4070 12GB and RTX3060 8GB to RTX4060TI 8GB)
4.)AD106=GA107(RTX3050 8GB to RTX4060 8GB)
Once you look at what the direct replacements are,the performance improvements look very good. But the issue is Nvidia,knows this and basically has jacked up pricing and rejigged historic placement of these dGPUs. Basically every dGPU under the RTX4090 has been pushed up one tier or maybe two with a price increase.
So at this point:
1.)RTX3080/RTX3080TI 10GB/12GB=RTX4070 12GB
2.)RTX3070/RTX3070TI 8GB=RTX4060TI 8GB
3.)RTX3060TI 8GB=RTX4060 8GB
Hence,as you go down the range the performance improvements will look worse and worse IMHO.
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I feel like there is a bit of a misunderstanding of inflation going on, its a measure of increase in prices from the same month the year before, even 0% inflation means prices will remain high, deflation is the only way prices drop. The other important metric is average wage increase, if the average wage increase is 5% and so is inflation things essentially are worth the same (as a percentage of your income). Nvidia are simply looking at raster performance and lining up cards of this generation and last in order and pricing each one progressively higher, Moores laws is dead as Jenson said, basically what he meant was don't expect free performance boosts each node drop.
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Caporegime
It's Turing but worse,and that happened after another mining boom. Once the original pricing failed,we got the Super refresh which was more in line with what we should have got.
So the only way for a price reduction to happen,is for people not to buy them.
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