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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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I do not see any point in buying into the RTX 4000 generation unless you want to spend over the top sums of money for 4080 / 4090. I can see the 4000 series having a very limited shelf life before they go EOL.
 
g67575 said:
I've always considered Nvidia's TI cards to be overpriced.

The RTX 3060 TI (FE) was an exception.
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I've got this card a few months ago and for what was about £360 (direct from Nvidia) I've been mighty impressed with it for that money. A cheeky undervolt with a mild clock and it's running VR titles on high settings.
 
Compare the RTX 3060 TI FE @ £360 to the RTX 2080 TI @ around £1,200.

Less than 1/3 the price for 10% lower performance.

I wonder if there will be a Nvidia card with better performance for around £450?

No wonder they are taking so long to release the whole series.
 
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12GB confirmed for the 4070:
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MSI & Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 graphics cards confirmed to feature 12GB memory - VideoCardz.com

MSI and Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 GPUs spotted at EEC At least 9 new GeForce RTX 4070 graphics cards have now been listed by Gigabyte and MSI in a regulatory filing. Unreleased MSI and Gigabyte RTX 4070 graphics cards can now be found in EEC (Eurasian Economic Commission) and RRA (South Korean...
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Apparently, Nvidia just don't want to tell us the important bits, like shader count.
Has anyone noticed that the rumoured RTX 4060 TI spec has less shaders (4352) than the RTX 3060 TI (4864)?

I just don't believe it - The shader count has been increased every time for the last 4 generations.
 
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ZXSpekky48k said:
I rarely even look in the graphics forum any more - I mean 4070 at £750 (if that's what it costs). £750 for the 4th best card nvidia are doing this generation. I remember being dead enthusiastic about new graphics cards.
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I remember the 980ti when that came out at £650ish for the basic models and people complained, me included that it was a rip off because of how pricing was changing not because it was a bad card. I purchased one in the end a 980ti classified as I had a gtx 580 before that and needed an upgrade, I did purchase a 780ti fe week before (was on ocuk deal) the 980ti but decided to update my monitor to 3440x1440p so decided to sell it and go to 980ti when it was priced better for the classified.

It all became a mess around then really in recent times with pricing (Nvidia was testing the market with silly priced Titans too then) and then 10xx series also had some silly strange pricing and the only real good card in that range was the 1080ti for the price and then the 20xx series came out and well we know how silly thing got when they were selling 2080ti basic models at £1200... we went from complaining the top Ti was around £650 to £1200 a doubling almost in price (RT TAX).. Then 30xx series was well really not much better for pricing at the top end and of all things the top card was being sold at msrp of $2000 the 3090ti again really another almost doubling from the 2080ti (but we really know what happened with real street pricing how silly that all was with mining and shortages).

Nvidia seems to be hell bent on doubling pricing each gen in recent years, they are just slowly brainwashing us to think it's the norm with the way they structure the pricing now. Reality is GPU prices have blown up and nothing to do with inflation increases as inflation is not 200% every 2 years..

Sadly people at my age are getting tired of this now and we grew up in an era of very expensive computer hardware where some systems would cost more than your house then, but that was then and later we went into a time where technology was "cheap" it became throwaway/sell and update each gen.. now it has become like the housing market where people can't get their foot in to buy their first home even. What I mean you have nothing to start with to sell and upgrade to next or the the gpu you own looses so much value in the second hand market that it is not even worth selling and updating as the update is really exactly or more per frame cost or worse stagnated so much that the update makes no sense for the cost of upgrading.

@ZXSpekky48k guessing by your forum name you are about my age group too and have seen what I mean too. Sad times really and the low end and mainstream have been the target this generation with crippling prices and really low performance jumps from previous generation at double the price .. Seems Nvidia and AMD will join in soon enough trying to make 80 class cards £1200+, 70ti class £850, 70 class £750 .. etc.. Next gen 70ti class £1000+ anyone ? a 3x+ in price from what the normal price increase would have been or a doubling from 3070ti prices depending how you look at it.

Weird world we are living in at the moment and the greed is at an all-time max regarding everything. The amazing thing about tech when I grew up was how much cheaper and faster things would get in the future, it did for a while and now in my belief pricing has just gone really the wrong way for what many believed would happen in the future.
 
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I was a bit impressed with cards like the RTX 3070, at least the FE version. Nvidia trumpeted this model as offering the same performance as the best card in the last generation, the RTX 2080 TI - This was true for the most part. I didn't feel like a sucker for buying it (even though it was more than I'd ever spent on a gfx card).

The difference is this came only shortly after the launch of the RTX 3080. When there's a (long) delay, with little hope of affordable reference models on the way, then we know what to expect.

Lets face it they've already messed it up by failing to release a RTX 4070 TI Founders Edition (with apparently no desire to correct this error, because competing cards from AMD didn't materialise), it shows you that they just aren't bothered anymore. It's absence stands out like a clown at a funeral.
 
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g67575 said:
I was a bit impressed with cards like the RTX 3070, at least the FE version. Nvidia trumpeted this model as offering the same performance as the best card in the last generation, the RTX 2080 TI. I didn't feel like a sucker for buying it (even though it was more than I'd ever spent on a gfx card).

The difference is this came only shortly after the launch of the RTX 3080. When there's a (long) delay, with little hope of affordable reference models on the way, then we know what to expect.

Lets face it they've already messed it up by failing to release a RTX 4070 TI Founders Edition (with apparently no desire to correct this error, because competing cards from AMD didn't materialise), it should shows you that they just aren't bothered anymore.
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The 3070 was an ok card for the price but certainly not amazing due to only having 8gb vram and while the 4070ti has more VRAM it lacks the performance of a 3090ti yet costs 60% more than a 3070 did.

Founders or not doesn't matter as the price is set to £800 minimum which is a rip off no matter which way you slice it.
 
It could definitely have had a FE model priced at £700. In the end, they haven't bothered probably because enough people bought it anyway.
 
They could price a (hypothetical) FE model at whatever price they like, but the launch was poorly executed and planned.
 
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The FE price this generation and last is basically the minimum price they sell for and AIBS either match that or as we have seen cost more. Nvidia has no reason to price the FE any less and remember back in the day the FE actually had a $100 tax on it for the top Ti models and what was it for the FE cards below $80-50 FE tax compared to the cheap AIB models at the time ?

Also the joke from last gen 30xx was the FE cards are unicorn cards as we saw.. The only reason we are seeing 4080 and 4090 fe sticking in stock is the GPU market has crashed, the world is in recession and a cost of living crisis.

Two things will happen now as this generation is still new/early in its lifecycle they will play the lack of stock games soon to gear up the FOMO crowd to buy or start adding some bundled games packs and keep the prices the same.. I don't see much else happening...

Then the $2000+ 4090Ti FE games will start again and only after all that and closer to 50xx series will we see any real price drops if there is even stock about by then depending on how many they really manufactured, 30 series they manufactured a lot because the mining craze and lockdowns helped sell them.When mining and lockdown ended they ended up with more than normal inventory at the end but they didn't care because the record sales that had happened in that time they could have stuck all the inventory left over in the E.T cartridge pit but we were also going threw a silicon shortage at the time and silly prices for silicon manufacturing..

I don't believe they care if they end up with lots of 40 series inventory by the time 50 series comes out as they will do what they are doing with 30 series as we see the 30 series is still selling for more than MSRP new.. All they will do is up the 50 series prices again to make it look like the 40 series remaining stock is the best bang for buck buy... :cry: Nvidia.....
 
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Also the joke from last gen 30xx was the FE cards are unicorn cards as we saw..
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Yes, they only seemed to offer them grudgingly. AMD hasn't bothered to sell reference modes at all in most countries for RDNA2/3.

But with no FE models, anything goes regarding prices, it's practically upto the aib companies to set prices, MSRP is largely irrelevant. FE 4080/4090 models maybe lower prices a little, but when priced over £1,000, who cares these are very much luxury items.

I hate to say it, but I doubt any RDNA3 cards are going to be particularly appealing, due to the lack of reference model sales. AMD is focusing on console + mobile GPUs and desktop CPUs.
 
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Purgatory said:
I remember the 980ti when that came out at £650ish for the basic models and people complained, me included that it was a rip off because of how pricing was changing not because it was a bad card. I purchased one in the end a 980ti classified as I had a gtx 580 before that and needed an upgrade, I did purchase a 780ti fe week before (was on ocuk deal) the 980ti but decided to update my monitor to 3440x1440p so decided to sell it and go to 980ti when it was priced better for the classified.

@ZXSpekky48k guessing by your forum name you are about my age group too and have seen what I mean too. Sad times really and the low end and mainstream have been the target this generation with crippling prices and really low performance jumps from previous generation at double the price .. Seems Nvidia and AMD will join in soon enough trying to make 80 class cards £1200+, 70ti class £850, 70 class £750 .. etc.. Next gen 70ti class £1000+ anyone ? a 3x+ in price from what the normal price increase would have been or a doubling from 3070ti prices depending how you look at it.
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I imagine so! I seem to remember cogitating on the X800xt in 2004 (I checked date) for what I think was £300ish - and that was the top ATI card at the time - bank of England says that's about £500 now. I couldn;'t justify it at the time. It's really not remotely justifiable now. I also think the mega delay on the 'affordable' new cards is pretty cynical too - long gaps from top of range through to bottom. Mind you I can't really remember how they came out years ago and if it was all at once - does anyone recall?
 
ZXSpekky48k said:
I imagine so! I seem to remember cogitating on the X800xt in 2004 (I checked date) for what I think was £300ish - and that was the top ATI card at the time - bank of England says that's about £500 now. I couldn;'t justify it at the time. It's really not remotely justifiable now. I also think the mega delay on the 'affordable' new cards is pretty cynical too - long gaps from top of range through to bottom. Mind you I can't really remember how they came out years ago and if it was all at once - does anyone recall?
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In the past from Nvidia we would get the 80 class card (which use to be the top card on their largest full chip and fully enabled, no Ti messing about) and the 70 class card on the day of reveal and few weeks later the 60 class if they don't mention that too. Now it's 90 class (not full chip) and 80 class (not full chip or full chip but smaller chip from the top chip).

I think people forget what Ti class really was too, Ti was only used on lower end originally to add value to the lower end chips, Ti only came into top end card use on the 780ti,980ti,1080ti,2080ti,3080ti,3090ti.. So recent in the scale of gpu time scale.

Video explaining Ti cards history.


 
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Purgatory said:
Ti only came into top end card use on the 780ti,980ti,1080ti,2080ti,3080ti,3090ti.. So recent in the scale of gpu time scale.
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Before that the equivalent of the Ti cards were the Ultras - though the GeForce 3 and 4 series did have Ti cards including top end cards like the GeForce 3 Ti500.
 
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