RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

Joxeon · 30 Mar 2023 at 23:11

muon said:
You can become a source too. Just send emails with "leaks" and claim you work for retailer and somehow this retailer has the inside track.

All of their sources are employees at stores.

MLID also made a video claiming the 4070 ti wasn't selling well. This was after a large german retailer was publishing data showing lots of sales in the hundreds per week). He then claimed this was wrong because some people in individual stores in the US were claiming they weren't selling out.

Then the steam hardware survey came out showing lots of sales globally.

Probably just some early FOMO near release but things not looking so rosy lately.

humbug · 30 Mar 2023 at 23:46

Joxeon said:
Probably just some early FOMO near release but things not looking so rosy lately.

Nvidia sold 160 4000 series across 3 SKU's.
AMD sold 330 7000 series across 2 SKU's.

Across ranges Nvidia sold 420.
AMD sold 980.

I mean, all of Nvidia's GPU's, with the exception of perhaps the 4090, are ridiculously over priced.

The 7900XT even at its new price of $800 is also over priced so i'm not sure of what to make of 150 of those sold, perhaps people are just getting tired of Nvidia's poo.

lol at the 4070Ti having only sold 30.

The 3070Ti, well what a piece of dog poo that is.

Murphy · 31 Mar 2023 at 05:42

Joxeon said:
Probably just some early FOMO near release but things not looking so rosy lately.

For the uninformed is that sales in a week from one retailer, one region, or something else.

Not that it matter much in relation to what you posted it's just I'm trying to gauge how weak/strong overall GPU sales are, like if that's the whole of America that's really bad but if it's a little known mom & pop store that's really good.

KompuKare · 31 Mar 2023 at 06:54

Well, since almost no retailers ever give sales breakdowns, I imagine this is from Mindfactory.de again.

There you go, found the tweet

https://twitter.com/TechEpiphany/status/1637646150923608066

https://twitter.com/x/status/1637591899639799810

And some site reporting on it saying it was Mindfactory again

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT Leads GPU Sales at Mindfactory, Followed by NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti

Interest in AMD GPUs appears to be gaining in at least some parts of the world. According to data shared by TechEpiphany, AMD managed outsell NVIDIA last week at Mindfactory, one of Germany's top electronics retailers, with 2,110 GPUs sold versus green team's 1,690. Leading the pack was the...

www.thefpsreview.com

EDIT: embedded the tweet

kalniel · 31 Mar 2023 at 08:33

muon said:
Another supposed leak (from random youtuber with "contacts") that is gonna end up being wildly wrong.

Something we all do is give voice to our fear even when we've no reason to believe it, then we can be pleasantly surprised when the fear isn't realised. Unfortunate in this business but all too understandable.

Author_25 · 31 Mar 2023 at 08:49

Here's hoping the 7800XT has more than 12GB VRAM and at least a 256bit bus, at around £600-£650, and can perform around a 4070 Ti.

KompuKare · 31 Mar 2023 at 09:23

Author_25 said:
Here's hoping the 7800XT has more than 12GB VRAM and at least a 256bit bus, at around £600-£650, and can perform around a 4070 Ti.

You mean the part which AMD would normally have called the 7700XT?
As a 7800XT 12GB and 192-bit bus (the current rumour) is a downgrade from all the Navi21 SKUs. Yes. Navi32 should be the Navi22 follow up but since they have moved up the names, selling a 12GB 7800 XT which performs about the same as a 6800 XT should get awful reviews unless it is much cheaper.

Well, unless AMD start paying reviewers to become shills, or threatens with access like when green cards get released.

subbytna · 31 Mar 2023 at 09:31

7900XT should be the 7800XT.

AMD playing a Nvidia blinder there with snide naming tactics, just like Nvidia tried with the "4080 12gig" bovine excrement.

JediFragger · 31 Mar 2023 at 09:38

Author_25 said:
Here's hoping the 7800XT has more than 12GB VRAM and at least a 256bit bus, at around £600-£650, and can perform around a 4070 Ti.

Also.....World Peace.

Joxeon · 31 Mar 2023 at 09:38

I think AMD will be disappointed though if Nvidia come in at $600 with a 4070 as they'll have to price the 7800XT at $100 cheaper than the 6800XT came in at.

JediFragger · 31 Mar 2023 at 09:39

Joxeon said:
I think AMD will be disappointed though if Nvidia come in at $600 with a 4070 as they'll have to price the 7800XT at $100 cheaper than the 6800XT came in at.

They'll price is exactly the same because....'not a budget brand'

KompuKare · 31 Mar 2023 at 09:49

JediFragger said:
They'll price is exactly the same because....'not a budget brand'

If they do, what will their sales be like?
Is RDNA3 only a testing ground for any console refresh and are AMD willing to spend millions putting these GPUs out (R&D they could tell themselves Sony & MS will pay for, but the tapeouts and drivers etc. are fixed costs), yet have no volume to spread the fixed costs?

AMD 2023 GPU strategy: can we go down to 5% marketshare?

Or, launch proud with "we are not a budget brand" motto, get next to no sales and at the end of the gen sell them all off cheap.

TNA · 31 Mar 2023 at 09:52

KompuKare said:
If they do, what will their sales be like?
Is RDNA3 only a testing ground for any console refresh and are AMD willing to spend millions putting these GPUs out (R&D they could tell themselves Sony & MS will pay for, but the tapeouts and drivers etc. are fixed costs), yet have no volume to spread the fixed costs?

AMD 2023 GPU strategy: can we go down to 5% marketshare?

Or, launch proud with "we are not a budget brand" motto, get next to no sales and at the end of the gen sell them all off cheap.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 31 Mar 2023 at 09:53

g67575 said:
"If the 4070 12GB is 650 or more, which it seems almost 100% it's going to be"

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We discuss the state of GPU Pricing, Intel’s ARC on Life Support, & tons of upcoming AMD leaks![SPON: dieshrink = 3% off Everything, brokensilicon = 25% off ...

youtu.be

doh.

He might not be entirely wrong:

NVIDIA splits GeForce RTX 4070 review embargo to MSRP and non-MSRP cards - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 GPUs reviews to go live on April 12th The company confirms the full embargo details with board partners. The launch of the GeForce RTX 4070 is now confirmed for April 13th, but just before this date, NVIDIA has set several embargoes for partners and reviewers. So, here’s...

videocardz.com

Reviewers will start receiving their samples in early April, so they should have at least one week to finish their reviews. Now the interesting detail is that the review embargo will be split between MSRP and non-MSRP models. What this means is that instead of two separate embargoes for NVIDIA Founders Edition and custom cards, NVIDIA will split the review embargo based on their market price.

Nvidia is trying to split reviews. So push out FE reviews out first to make people think the lower FE price is normal, but the real street price is the more expensive AIB partner price. This is what happened with Ampere.

tommybhoy · 31 Mar 2023 at 10:11

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
He might not be entirely wrong:

NVIDIA splits GeForce RTX 4070 review embargo to MSRP and non-MSRP cards - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 GPUs reviews to go live on April 12th The company confirms the full embargo details with board partners. The launch of the GeForce RTX 4070 is now confirmed for April 13th, but just before this date, NVIDIA has set several embargoes for partners and reviewers. So, here’s...

videocardz.com

Nvidia is trying to split reviews. So push out FE reviews out first to make people think the lower FE price is normal, but the real street price is the more expensive AIB partner price. This is what happened with Ampere.

Or they have two chips again, a lower voltage/power limit sku and an A sku with normal voltage/power limit like Turing 2070.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 31 Mar 2023 at 10:14

tommybhoy said:
Or they have two chips again, a lower voltage/power limit sku and an A sku with normal voltage/power limit like Turing 2070.

Probably but it's Nvidia probably trying to pull a fast one.

nomadd · 31 Mar 2023 at 10:15

kalniel said:
Something we all do is give voice to our fear even when we've no reason to believe it, then we can be pleasantly surprised when the fear isn't realised.

But the FOMO is real!

kylew_is_back · 31 Mar 2023 at 10:41

Joxeon said:
Probably just some early FOMO near release but things not looking so rosy lately.

I finding interesting that the 7900XTX is selling so much better that 4080 in this retailer. I mean for only 10% more money the 4080 offers so much more compared to 7900XTX. (DLSS, FG, beter RT, lower power consumption)

Author_25 · 31 Mar 2023 at 10:55

kylew_is_back said:
I finding interesting that the 7900XTX is selling so much better that 4080 in this retailer. I mean for only 10% more money the 4080 offers so much more compared to 7900XTX. (DLSS, FG, beter RT, lower power consumption)

If the list is from the German store, Mind Factory, then it maybe because a 7900XTX is a lot cheaper than a 4080, as a whole in the UK and Europe.
On OCUK, you can get an AIB 7900XTX card for £1049, with the most expensive at, £1300, whereas the cheapest 4080 is, £1170, and the most expensive is, £1560.

Joxeon · 31 Mar 2023 at 11:02

kylew_is_back said:
I finding interesting that the 7900XTX is selling so much better that 4080 in this retailer. I mean for only 10% more money the 4080 offers so much more compared to 7900XTX. (DLSS, FG, beter RT, lower power consumption)

TBH I'm surprised the 4080 even sold 80, its such a bad card for the price.