RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

gpuerrilla · 31 Mar 2023 at 11:08

kylew_is_back said:
I finding interesting that the 7900XTX is selling so much better that 4080 in this retailer. I mean for only 10% more money the 4080 offers so much more compared to 7900XTX. (DLSS, FG, beter RT, lower power consumption)

I would say that is buyers sticking the finger up to nvidia with their shenanigans. Would need to see real figures though before I believe it.

kylew_is_back · 31 Mar 2023 at 11:09

Joxeon said:
TBH I'm surprised the 4080 even sold 80, its such a bad card for the price.

you miss the point.

Murphy · 31 Mar 2023 at 11:10

kylew_is_back said:
(DLSS, FG, beter RT, lower power consumption)

All things people don't seem to care much about if a recent HUB video is anything to go by.

Marine-RX179 · 31 Mar 2023 at 11:14

kylew_is_back said:
I finding interesting that the 7900XTX is selling so much better that 4080 in this retailer. I mean for only 10% more money the 4080 offers so much more compared to 7900XTX. (DLSS, FG, beter RT, lower power consumption)

The 4080 is physically as big as the 4090, so it would not fit in many people's existing PC without changing their case.

The 7900XTX is average 10-20% faster than the 4080 at for 4K gaming (as well as with more vram for future-proofing) at a lower cost. So going for the 4080 is essentially "paying more for less performance for the sake of Nvidia features".

Also for those that would only buy Nvidia rather than settling for an overpriced underdelivering card, many would probably bite the bullet and pay the extra and go for the 4090 instead.

gpuerrilla · 31 Mar 2023 at 11:16

Marine-RX179 said:
The 4080 is physically as big as the 4090, so it would not fit in many people's existing PC without changing their case.

Good point.

muon · 31 Mar 2023 at 11:24

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
He might not be entirely wrong:

NVIDIA splits GeForce RTX 4070 review embargo to MSRP and non-MSRP cards - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 GPUs reviews to go live on April 12th The company confirms the full embargo details with board partners. The launch of the GeForce RTX 4070 is now confirmed for April 13th, but just before this date, NVIDIA has set several embargoes for partners and reviewers. So, here’s...

videocardz.com

Nvidia is trying to split reviews. So push out FE reviews out first to make people think the lower FE price is normal, but the real street price is the more expensive AIB partner price. This is what happened with Ampere.

No, because he said MSRP cards would be $750 and higher tier AIB cards would be more.

All in the original video.

He said this was okay because 4070 Ti wasn't actually $799, even though at the time msrp 4070 ti cards were easily available.

muon · 31 Mar 2023 at 11:28

KompuKare said:
Well, since almost no retailers ever give sales breakdowns, I imagine this is from Mindfactory.de again.

There you go, found the tweet

https://twitter.com/TechEpiphany/status/1637646150923608066

https://twitter.com/x/status/1637591899639799810
And some site reporting on it saying it was Mindfactory again

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT Leads GPU Sales at Mindfactory, Followed by NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti

Interest in AMD GPUs appears to be gaining in at least some parts of the world. According to data shared by TechEpiphany, AMD managed outsell NVIDIA last week at Mindfactory, one of Germany's top electronics retailers, with 2,110 GPUs sold versus green team's 1,690. Leading the pack was the...

www.thefpsreview.com

EDIT: embedded the tweet

People are buying AMD cards now prices have stabilised. AMD should always have launched the 7900 XT at $799.

Both the 7900 XT and 4070 Ti outselling the 3060 which is impressive.

Some YTD numbers would be good.

kylew_is_back · 31 Mar 2023 at 11:30

Marine-RX179 said:
The 4080 is physically as big as the 4090, so it would not fit in many people's existing PC without changing their case.

The 7900XTX is average 10-20% faster than the 4080 at for 4K gaming (as well as with more vram for future-proofing) at a lower cost. So going for the 4080 is essentially "paying more for less performance for the sake of Nvidia features".

Also for those that would only buy Nvidia rather than settling for an overpriced underdelivering card, many would probably bite the bullet and pay the extra and go for the 4090 instead.

10-20% LOL?
If we exclude RT the 7900XTX in 4K is 2% faster on average compared to 4080.

If a 4080 can fit in the NZXT H500 it can fit in the overwhelming majority of pc case. All the non reference designs have similar size regardless if it is 4080 or 7900XTX, so no, the size is not an argument.

Joxeon · 31 Mar 2023 at 11:35

kylew_is_back said:
10-20% LOL?
If we exclude RT the 7900XTX in 4K is 2% faster on average compared to 4080.

If a 4080 can fit in the NZXT H500 it can fit in the overwhelming majority of pc case. All the non reference designs have similar size regardless if it is 4080 or 7900XTX, so no, the size is not an argument.

I think most people realise that the 4080 is just a 4070ti in specs so refuse to pay double what a similar card was worth last gen.

I mean why would anyone pay £1200 for this when it performs more like a last gen card while not much more gets you the 4090 which is the only true next gen card this generation.

Murphy · 31 Mar 2023 at 11:44

kylew_is_back said:
...so no, the size is not an argument.

That's what she said...

Sorry i couldn't stop myself.

humbug · 31 Mar 2023 at 13:36

Joxeon said:
I think most people realise that the 4080 is just a 4070ti in specs so refuse to pay double what a similar card was worth last gen.

I mean why would anyone pay £1200 for this when it performs more like a last gen card while not much more gets you the 4090 which is the only true next gen card this generation.

You're cherry picking slides @Joxeon its a single game.

Anyone can do the same.... why would anyone pay 60% more for a 4090, look it can't even keep up with the 7900XTX.

Marine-RX179 · 31 Mar 2023 at 14:33

kylew_is_back said:
10-20% LOL?
If we exclude RT the 7900XTX in 4K is 2% faster on average compared to 4080.

If a 4080 can fit in the NZXT H500 it can fit in the overwhelming majority of pc case. All the non reference designs have similar size regardless if it is 4080 or 7900XTX, so no, the size is not an argument.

From Techpowerup 4K Rasterization comparison 7900XTX vs 4080:
Hitman 3: 6.5% faster
Dying Light 2: 7.3% faster
Divinity: Original Sin II: 7.6% faster
Cyberpunk 2077: 8.3% faster
Assassin's Creed Valhalla: 9.4% faster
Battlefield V: 13.9% faster
Watch Dogs: Legion: 15.3% faster
Red Dead Redemption 2: 17.7% faster
Resident Evil: Village: 18.2% faster
Far Cry 6: 21% faster

As for the physical size of of the 4080 play it down as a non-issue in your headcanon all your want, but it reality is that its size IS something which the users would have to think about when it come to purchasing decision.

Nvidia Founders Edition: 304 x 137 x 61mm (3-slot)
ASUS ROG Strix – 357.6 x 149.3 x 70.1mm (4-slot)
ASUS TUF Gaming – 348.2 x 150 x 72.6 mm (4-slot)
Colorful iGame Neptune – Card: 253.5 x 170.8 x 41.5mm (2-slot), Radiator: 394 x 119.2 x 54.4mm
Gainward Phantom GS – 329 x 142 x 70mm (4-slot)
Galax SG/ KFA2 SG – 352 x 153 x 66mm (3.5-slot)
MSI Gaming X Trio – 337 x 140 x 67 mm (3.5-slot)
MSI Suprim X – 336 x 142 x 78 mm (4.5-slot)
MSI VENTUS 3X – 322 x 136 x 63mm (3-slot)
PNY XLR8 Gaming Verto Epic-X RGB – 331.7 x 136.9 x 71.1mm (4-slot)
Zotac AMP Extreme AIRO – 355.5 x 149.6 x 72.1mm (4-slot)

You simply can not generalise and expect everyone to have a full-size/over-sized ATX cases; there are plenty of people with Micro-ATX PC which the length of the card might not necessarily be the issue, but the card being 3-4 slots in height and/or 140-150mm in width is (side-panel clearance issue). Like it or not, the reality is that oversized card will alienate some userbase, and the simply reality is smaller cards WILL fit in more cases than a larger ones- that's just how physics is.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 31 Mar 2023 at 14:53

Also with AMD their CPUs being good for gaming,also means people might be pairing the RX7900XTX with a Ryzen 9 of some sort too. So top AMD gaming CPU and top AMD gaming dGPU,as there might be the allure of building a high-end AMD gaming rig.

Joxeon · 31 Mar 2023 at 14:55

humbug said:
You're cherry picking slides @Joxeon its a single game.

Anyone can do the same.... why would anyone pay 60% more for a 4090, look it can't even keep up with the 7900XTX.

I'm just using an example of the latest released game, not sure what your trying to prove by showing another game thats clearly CPU bottlenecked on the 4090 at 1440p.

gpuerrilla · 31 Mar 2023 at 15:22

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Also with AMD their CPUs being good for gaming,also means people might be pairing the RX7900XTX with a Ryzen 9 of some sort too. So top AMD gaming CPU and top AMD gaming dGPU,as there might be the allure of building a high-end AMD gaming rig.

SAM (rebar) in this scenario can help in some games, and dont forget the power connectors

Grim5 · 2 Apr 2023 at 10:48

Reminder that Intel charges $20 more for 16gb over 8gb and Nvidia tells you it's too expensive to have more vram

TNA · 2 Apr 2023 at 10:53

Grim5 said:
Reminder that Intel charges $20 more for 16gb over 8gb and Nvidia tells you it's too expensive to have more vram

We didn't need Intel to do that to know there was not a huge gap in memory prices, especially in this market where memory prices have come down.

It was always obvious Nvidia did it. Product segmentation and maxising profits.

You should know that very well. You keep buying Jensen's top SKU on release :cry:

Darujhistan · 2 Apr 2023 at 10:56

TNA said:
We didn't need Intel to do that to know there was not a huge gap in memory prices, especially in this market where memory prices have come down.

It was always obvious Nvidia did it. Product segmentation and maxising profits.

You should know that very well. You keep buying Jensen's top SKU on release

Funny that because some seem to think it's down to NV's "agressive pricing"...

:cry:

humbug · 2 Apr 2023 at 11:17

Grim5 said:
Reminder that Intel charges $20 more for 16gb over 8gb and Nvidia tells you it's too expensive to have more vram

AMD give you that by default. As it should be.

TNA · 2 Apr 2023 at 11:21

humbug said:
AMD give you that by default. As it should be.

As they should have priced the 7000 series properly? Or as they should have better RT? Or as they should try harder with FSR as it ain't as good as DLSS as show recently in Resident Evil 4 Remake?

Stop defending AMD. They stink almost as much as Nvidia!