RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

[Lightnix]

I don't think the market conditions are there to support Nvidia's pricing any more. Bitcoin's tanked and people are comfortable going outside again, and as pointed out the lower tier cards just don't have the same attractive positioning as equivalent cards from previous generations. Generative AI is a cloud thing for all but the nerdiest of consumers so barely factors in. I think the 4070 will be £600+ on release, and less than £530 within 3 months.

 

[g67575]

When you consider a 3060ti beat a 2080 by around 10% and was priced at £369 if this card only matches a 3080 then anything over £400 is a rip off.

I think it will take quite a while before we even see them at £500. Inflation is a thing that can't be ignored.

£400 would be a very good price, the GTX 1080 was around £440 for an aib card so this tends to be the card I compare others to for value.

 

[Joxeon]

I think it will take quite a while before we even see them at £500. Inflation is a thing that can't be ignored.

£400 would be a very good price, the GTX 1080 was around £440 for an aib card so this tends to be the card I compare others to for value.

£369 last gen for a card that beat the 2080 by 10% now we got £800 for a card that beats the 3080 by 17% so not sure what Nvidia's inflation is running at but Jensenomics clearly don't reflect on the rest of the PC industry where most parts are falling in price.

 

[JediFragger]

Jensenomics

Can someone check to see if the price of leather has rocketed lately???

 

[g67575]

£369 last gen for a card that beat the 2080 by 10% now we got £800 for a card that beats the 3080 by 17% so not sure what Nvidia's inflation is running at but Jensenomics clearly don't reflect on the rest of the PC industry where most parts are falling in price.

Well, I'd imagine they want to keep taking at least the same profits as they were getting with the last gen, presumably even greater profits. 5nm dies as expensive, but lots of cheaper AD104 dies would probably allow them to increase profits, while increasing the overall transistor count per die, relative to GA104.

Put another way, yes it's greed, that will continue as long as AMD does not release competing products at a lower price tag.

The unfortunate bit for consumers on desktop, is that it looks like the RTX 4070 will be cut down quite a lot, relative to the 4070 TI, in terms of shaders (a 30.4% reduction, 7680 from to 5888).

The gap is much wider than the gap between the RTX 3070 and the 3070 TI.

 

[rare]

Only card worth buying from Nvidia this generation is the 4090 and that sucks given its huge price. At least it feels like a next generation product.

The rest of the range has been stacked very far apart in terms of specifications, so much so that I can only assume they are allowing room for a ‘super’ range or similar at some point.

They’ve gone from one extreme with the 30 series (very little specification gap between some models) to the other this gen.

 

[g67575]

I think the RTX 4080 would be worthy if they charged £800 for the reference model version, it's still faster than anything from the previous Ampere generation, on paper the spec looks decent.

You get a lot of performance for a 320 watt card. In comparison, the AD102 die (RTX 4090) uses a lot of power for the increase in performance, relative to the 4080.

The prices are largely determined by the last generation of cards though, and there were several cards priced over £1000 on release that still sold well, unfortunately.

The RTX 4090 is a silly product at that price (£1,599 for the FE!) considering that it's not even the fully fledged AD102 die.

I really think £1,000 ought to be the maximum, reserved only for the very best of any graphics card generation.

The GPU market is a mess, because these days they never just release the whole generation within the same quarter, or within 1 month of the initial launch. You get multiple launches instead, with no apparent end.

 

[rare]

The RTX 4090 is a silly product at that price (£1,599 for the FE!) considering that it's not even the fully fledged AD102 die.

It might not be the ‘full’ die but it’s still a massive generational jump in performance over the 3090 in every respect.

It looks ‘good value’ because it’s all relative, given the price the 4080 is going for. You get quite an additional bump in performance, a huge jump in specs on paper and an extra 8GB vram.

It’s obvious that Nvidia have engineered their lineup to ensure as many people go up the stack as possible. Despite its extra specification I would assume the 4090 is by far their most profitable card and they want as many people to buy it as possible. I’m a sucker because I purchased one. The only saving grace is, like I said, the card is the standout of this generation.

The 4080 is a good card and very efficient but it’s priced far too high. To be honest, it’s what the 4070ti should have been IMO (16gb, 256bit). But that’s another thing…

 

[g67575]

Well, if you have the money for a RTX 4090 right now, that's fine, especially if you just want to play games and not worry about performance much (or at all).

It's generally better to wait, but you could be waiting another year for Nvidia to release the TI, it's probably not worth it, especially if you can afford to upgrade again for the RTX 5000 series.

 

[rare]

You get a lot of performance for a 320 watt card. In comparison, the AD102 die (RTX 4090) uses a lot of power for the increase in performance, relative to the 4080.

Only in stock settings - but you can power limit the card to say 80% and still get 95+ of the same performance. For reasons I can’t grasp Nvidia gave it a much higher power draw than required. It’s actually VERY efficient.

 

[g67575]

Only in stock settings - but you can power limit the card to say 80% and still get 95+ of the same performance. For reasons I can’t grasp Nvidia gave it a much higher power draw than required. It’s actually VERY efficient.

They want to ramp up the clocks (which effects efficiency a lot) or at least keep them at the same level as the RTX 4080, people wouldn't buy it if there's only a 10% or so performance gain over the RTX 4080, but a large cost increase.

Tbh, the power usage only matters much if you don't have a high watt PSU, like me.

 

[rare]

They want to ramp up the clocks (which affects efficiency a lot) or at least keep them at the same level as the RTX 4080, people wouldn't buy it if there's only a 10% or so performance gain over the RTX 4080, but a large cost increase.

Yeah but that’s the thing, you can still achieve almost ALL the stock 4090 performance but with a significant power saving. Nvidia for reasons unknown to anyone else decided they would rather give it plenty of power for very minimal (I’m talking single digit) percentage performance uplift. Even at 80% power limit, it’s still significantly faster than a 4080 which is a significantly inferior card.

You can actually power limit the card to 60%, saving 33% in power and only losing around 5% performance in games. Which is mad!

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[g67575]

Nvidia does tend to overvolt cards, I think they just 'play it safe', because it means less testing for stability, and probably more GPU dies qualify to be sold as a 4090.

The overvolting on a RTX 3080 is pretty ridiculous... These things run hot enough without the voltage being cranked up at stock.

 

[Murphy]

The unfortunate bit for consumers on desktop, is that it looks like the RTX 4070 will be cut down quite a lot, relative to the 4070 TI, in terms of shaders (a 30.4% reduction, 7680 from to 5888).

The gap is much wider than the gap between the RTX 3070 and the 3070 TI.

You have to remember that the 4070Ti is really just a rebadged 4080 12Gb so while it would be nice to think Nvidia have released what was originally going to be the 4070Ti as a 4070 i suspect what they've actually done is just skip the release of what was originally going to be the 4070Ti.

Essentially what we're seeing is the gap in performance from a 4080 12Gb to a 4070.

 

[Calin Banc]

£369 last gen for a card that beat the 2080 by 10% now we got £800 for a card that beats the 3080 by 17% so not sure what Nvidia's inflation is running at but Jensenomics clearly don't reflect on the rest of the PC industry where most parts are falling in price.

Inflation in general is cited as the illusive force pulling up the prices for graphics cards (both for Nvidia and amd) while it has no power in other areas of technology. Is quite interesting to see customers playing the devil advocate for these companies.

 

[Bencher]

They want to ramp up the clocks (which effects efficiency a lot) or at least keep them at the same level as the RTX 4080, people wouldn't buy it if there's only a 10% or so performance gain over the RTX 4080, but a large cost increase.

Tbh, the power usage only matters much if you don't have a high watt PSU, like me.

I have my 4090 at a 320w power limit all the time.. Lost around 2% performance compared to stock in the heaviest RT game known to mankind (cyberpunk). In other games there isn't any difference to stock

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Inflation in general is cited as the illusive force pulling up the prices for graphics cards (both for Nvidia and amd) while it has no power in other areas of technology. Is quite interesting to see customers playing the devil advocate for these companies.

Even Apple's PC sales have crashed. I have been saying for years that PCMR are some of the weakest willed consumers I have ever seen. They have the mentality of children who are so driven by FOMO and marketing they can't just be without for a while.

 

[Bencher]

Inflation in general is cited as the illusive force pulling up the prices for graphics cards (both for Nvidia and amd) while it has no power in other areas of technology. Is quite interesting to see customers playing the devil advocate for these companies.

Well, the point isn't whether inflation is driving up the gpu prices. The point is money isn't worth what it used to 2 years ago. My monthly spendings have increased by exactly 40%, so 1500 for a gpu isn't as outrageous to my ears as It was back in 2020 or 2018.

 

[Calin Banc]

Well, the point isn't whether inflation is driving up the gpu prices. The point is money isn't worth what it used to 2 years ago. My monthly spendings have increased by exactly 40%, so 1500 for a gpu isn't as outrageous to my ears as It was back in 2020 or 2018.

If your income has gone up by the same amount, then yes, isn't that bad.

 

[ljt]

Even Apple's PC sales have crashed. I have been saying for years that PCMR are some of the weakest willed consumers I have ever seen. They have the mentality of children who are so driven by FOMO and marketing they can't just be without for a while.

Totally agree. Ive said it before, when a new GPU release comes around it's like watching junkies looking for their next fix.

Thankfully I rarely ever look forward to parting with my money so I have no fear of being like that thank goodness!