It's also worth remembering that those PCMR kids of yesteryear are now adults, many of whom have good jobs. If your PC is your only hobby even £1,500 every year or two isn't that bad. If I only had PC gaming as my only interest, even with a very modestly paying job, I could afford to buy the high end.
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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?
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It’s definitely true we see a lot of ‘I’ve gone the extra mile to buy something that will last 5 years’ *buys next generation cpu/gfx on launch day
Keep excepting that and next year your spending will go up another 40%. Then keep justifying it as a "normal thing". Sheep mentality that is causing these issues, instead of standing up to it and a perfect example France.. They are complaining and making a scene over things a lot less than our problems in this country. Explain to me why are we paying 10 times more than Poland as an example for our energy bills and theirs has gone up too. How is it right we pay 10x more for the same thing ?
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Exactly but how many people do you know during this time period that has had a 40% pay increase overnight ? It's all poor justification for a situation we should not be in and should be complaining about, it's not about gpus what is happening but the mess this country is in and causing all of us harm now that are not benefiting from this greed.
New age "Robber Barons". It's happened before, and it won't be long before society turns on them again. Sadly they are so rich and powerful it probably won't change until they retire or the whole global political scene changes. To keep it on topic, every purchase at high prices is a vote for the status quo 
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New age "Robber Barons". It's happened before, and it won't be long before society turns on them again. Sadly they are so rich and powerful it probably won't change until they retire or the whole global political scene changes. To keep it on topic, every purchase at high prices is a vote for the status quo
I always loved the Charlie Chaplin's speech about this. It's amazing to me that in nearly 100 years now, we have learnt absolutely nothing. The sentiment of the speech is still as true today as it was then....
Charlie Chaplin - Final Speech from The Great Dictator
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Something I've come to realise over the years is that the average person closes off their minds to the bigger picture, takes as little responsibility for anything as they can and is lacking in self-awareness - then wonders why the world is such a **** place to live in.
It isn't just that though - the 4000 models below the 4090 would barely qualify as the next tier down vs their model names in any previous generation line up, even the bad ones like the 600 series, while costing twice as much as the same named models in the previous generation. That is just being bent over and if people just accept it that is only going one direction.
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To put some numbers on CAT's statement:
PC Pain Persists in Q1 2023 Due to Excess Inventory and Poor Demand, According to IDC Tracker
IDC examines consumer markets by devices, applications, networks, and services to provide complete solutions for succeeding in these expanding markets.
www.idc.com
- 29% overall, -40.5% for Apple.
SSD prices in freefall.
RAM prices in freefall.
Samsung Semi loosing billions (yes for fabs losses also included higher than expected depreciation of their assets (fab) but if your capital costs are as much as a country's budget that is a given).
However, GPUs and motherboard prices continue to be hugely inflated; Nvidia's inventory keeps building up; AMD can't be bother to produce any volumes for GPUs.
Keep holding folks! Put off any purchases for a few more months and see who blinks first.
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Greed, is present from the poor to the rich. Just look at the crypto scene and how everyone wants to be rich overnight.I always loved the Charlie Chaplin's speech about this. It's amazing to me that in nearly 100 years now, we have learnt absolutely nothing. The sentiment of the speech is still as true today as it was then....
Charlie Chaplin - Final Speech from The Great Dictator
• Subscribe to our channel: http://bit.ly/TheChaplinFilms• Get it on iTunes: http://bit.ly/iTunesGreatDictatorSpeech• "We think too much and feel too little....
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If games are made for first world people, yes. For others that's incredibly expensive.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 matches GeForce RTX 3080 in leaked tests - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA RTX 4070 non-Ti has been tested First unofficial benchmarks of the RTX 4070 emerge. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition, Source: David Giannis Following our leak featuring NVIDIA official performance claims, we finally got to see some early and important data from independent...
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I'd say ok for 1440p if the price was right, in my mind that's £500. I'd expect it to be a fair bit more than that.NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 matches GeForce RTX 3080 in leaked tests - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA RTX 4070 non-Ti has been tested First unofficial benchmarks of the RTX 4070 emerge. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition, Source: David Giannis Following our leak featuring NVIDIA official performance claims, we finally got to see some early and important data from independent...
So ADA is basically the worse generation ever despite the 4090 delivering above average gains.NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 matches GeForce RTX 3080 in leaked tests - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA RTX 4070 non-Ti has been tested First unofficial benchmarks of the RTX 4070 emerge. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition, Source: David Giannis Following our leak featuring NVIDIA official performance claims, we finally got to see some early and important data from independent...
GTX 780 > 970 +21%
GTX 980 > 1070 +29%
GTX 1080 > 2070 +16%
RTX 2080 > 3070 +27%
RTX 3080 > 4070 +-0% and despite the worse gains in the past 10 years a $100 price increase tacked on for good measure.
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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 matches GeForce RTX 3080 in leaked tests - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA RTX 4070 non-Ti has been tested First unofficial benchmarks of the RTX 4070 emerge. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition, Source: David Giannis Following our leak featuring NVIDIA official performance claims, we finally got to see some early and important data from independent...
Wow. That's incredibly poor.
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Just saw people argue that is not that bad, because 3080 wasn't available at MSRP. Lol worthy
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Most of my PC gaming mates are old school PCMR,like myself,and we have zero interest in spending silly amounts. I don't know anyone in the realworld who has anything higher than an RTX3080,and even that was purchased as part of a prebuilt system.
We remember how things were,and how most PCMR decades ago were overclocking cheaper parts,not because we couldn't save up and buy more expensive parts,but because we could and it was fun to see something cheaper be modded to have higher end performance. That is what got us into PC building - otherwise we could have just bought a prebuilt PC and/or got a console.
We also generally mocked marketing BS,and so did most of the press who were more like Gamersnexus is today. I remember how Dr Thomas Pabst,who founded Tom's Hardware could really have a go at companies. Certainly more people back then had to also know more technical aspects too,so it was harder for marketing to do stuff. A lot of the people I see throwing money at the hobby are newer entrants who are very gullible to marketing and also the fact credit is very easy to get also does not help. It can't be just explained away by some older gamers who are now flush with money spending more,because it's affecting all tiers.
Also,another thing. As you get older you tend to expand your hobbies from simple PC gaming.As seen by a lot of my mates,they could easily spend £2000 on a dGPU,but it's simply not worth it because we all have other hobbies we would rather spend on. Looking at how much I spent on other things,the last few years,I probably could have just bought a £1500 dGPU but for what reason? I would rather go on a holiday somewhere nice for a week or two for such money,than spend it on a more expensive dGPU.
Then on top of this as family life/work commitments increase it's also whether spending £1000s on a gaming rig makes sense,when you don't have the time to spend gaming. Plus also the fact,I would still argue many older games,despite looking crap,still are qualitatively better games.
My biggest issue with all these shannigans,is that there a ton of gamers which can't afford/justify the price shrinkflation. This means the mainsteam which is the largest market,is getting lower and lower generational improvements. This only holds back the cutting edge aspects of PC gaming vs consoles,and it makes consoles more and more influential on how AAA games are being developed. This was the not the case decades ago,because mainstream improvements were so large on average,we went from games which looked like Quake(1996) to Crysis(2007) in just over a decade. In the 16 years things have definitely slowed down,and IMHO this is because devs are being held back by weak mainstream PC hardware. As a result,consoles are much closer to mainstream PCs than they have any right to,and because the consoles are custom PCs,they might as well use them as a base.
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not everyone buys the 90 tier, try looking below that and see whats happening one example 80 tier doubling in price
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Caporegime
Keep excepting that and next year your spending will go up another 40%. Then keep justifying it as a "normal thing". Sheep mentality that is causing these issues, instead of standing up to it and a perfect example France.. They are complaining and making a scene over things a lot less than our problems in this country. Explain to me why are we paying 10 times more than Poland as an example for our energy bills and theirs has gone up too. How is it right we pay 10x more for the same thing ?
It's even worse when we are one of the few countries in Europe to be blessed with our own oil,gas and coal supplies.
To put some numbers on CAT's statement:
PC Pain Persists in Q1 2023 Due to Excess Inventory and Poor Demand, According to IDC Tracker
IDC examines consumer markets by devices, applications, networks, and services to provide complete solutions for succeeding in these expanding markets.www.idc.com
- 29% overall, -40.5% for Apple.
SSD prices in freefall.
RAM prices in freefall.
Samsung Semi loosing billions (yes for fabs losses also included higher than expected depreciation of their assets (fab) but if your capital costs are as much as a country's budget that is a given).
However, GPUs and motherboard prices continue to be hugely inflated; Nvidia's inventory keeps building up; AMD can't be bother to produce any volumes for GPUs.
Keep holding folks! Put off any purchases for a few more months and see who blinks first.
Exactly - also with motherboards they are artificially segmenting features too. These companies are utterly entitled,especially in a capitalistic system where consumers are not expected to prop up these companies or their margins. It's like some weird form of entitled socialism,and many get huge tax breaks and get government money thrown at them too(Nvidia for example paid no Federal taxes in 2018 IIRC),so it's not like taxpayers are already paying these companies even if they don't buy any of their products. It's even worse,that here in the UK,are Nvidia,Intel or AMD even responsible for creating a lot of jobs here or paying much tax? Even Amazon at least employs a lot of people in the UK. I can even understand people in the US wanting to support their own companies by paying a bit more.
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